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SacJB Shady- 08-02-2008
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I'm in tahoe right now. unfortunately i don't see any brown bears out. but today is my rest day anyway.

Lobsang- 08-02-2008

I think you are a very good poet Lobsang Well it's therapy... The Savage My family was so happy Everything was well Until a simple Savage made my life a living Hell The savage never said much He seemed not very smart But with his shaman power He stole my dear wifes heart The savage could not read or write He snuck out from a hole He just kind of grunted As he carved his totem pole The savage lived a life of ease Assisted by his clan And then theres the free health care Because we stole his land The savage was so sneaky I thought he was my friend He gave me some smoked salmon And did to his fire tend Now the savage lives in my home And I am all alone To think a simple savage That can't even dial a phone Another thing the savage did Was claim my little kid That is the most contemptuous thing That the savage did So let this be a warning To every one of you A savage will steal your family It's what they like to do

SacJB Shady- 08-02-2008
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CerealRapist- 08-03-2008

How is using advanced human intelligence cheating? If an alien race visited earth, would the only way to test which species was most superior be to have a fist fight between the alien and an earthling? Im all for respecting the environment because it does sustain our life. But the level of earth worship that has been going on these days is getting to be ridiculous. Seems to be a dangerous trend of devaluing human life across the board. The way I've seen the most devaluing of life has to do with politics, economics, and the way people treat each other on this planet. With regards to environmentalists, well, I think the problem is that the two sides of this dialogue don't agree on the fundamentals. The so-called 'econuts' tend to believe that an animal's life is just as valuable as a human's life, a sentiment that I tend to agree with. Many non-environmentalists and religious people tend to take the view that a human's life is worth more than another animal's life, and so we should always do what preserves the human life (unless doing so threatens us in some long-term sort of way).

Lobsang- 08-03-2008

The harsh universal truth is that NOTHING has any value.

CerealRapist- 08-03-2008

The harsh universal truth is that NOTHING has any value. perhaps another way to say it is to say that nothing is more valuable than anything else. maybe meditating on this idea will help you understand your own life, Lobsang.

Lobsang- 08-03-2008

Oh I fully understand my own life. Just as a Jewish person did when a Nazi shot their child in the head an pushed them into a mass grave. The universe is cold and universal laws are fixed. There are no miricles. Sometimes people just get fuc*ed over. Or do it to themselves. But in either case there are times when there are no solutions and no correction of suffering. So there are no answersd. Nothing means anything. It is all just a fluke. The self does not exist anyway. It is a non entity. I wish I could just get past this friggen clining to life and do what needs to be done. Because it does need to be done.

myfantasia- 08-03-2008

Put very nicely CerealRapist

myfantasia- 08-03-2008

Oh by the way, I'm glad you rethought fighting a bear, JB

Dr. Phelps- 08-03-2008

The way I've seen the most devaluing of life has to do with politics, economics, and the way people treat each other on this planet. With regards to environmentalists, well, I think the problem is that the two sides of this dialogue don't agree on the fundamentals. The so-called 'econuts' tend to believe that an animal's life is just as valuable as a human's life, a sentiment that I tend to agree with. So where is the cutoff exactly on the equal value of life versus a human? How about an insect, bacteria, or virus? Are you committing a bacterial holocaust when you take an antibiotic to stop an infection? How about a plant?

CerealRapist- 08-03-2008

The way I've seen the most devaluing of life has to do with politics, economics, and the way people treat each other on this planet. With regards to environmentalists, well, I think the problem is that the two sides of this dialogue don't agree on the fundamentals. The so-called 'econuts' tend to believe that an animal's life is just as valuable as a human's life, a sentiment that I tend to agree with. So where is the cutoff exactly on the equal value of life versus a human? How about an insect, bacteria, or virus? Are you committing a bacterial holocaust when you take an antibiotic to stop an infection? How about a plant? right, I see your point, and unfortunately it's not so easy to answer. my general rule is that we shouldn't kill or harm other creatures unless our well-being is being put into jeopardy, or if we need to eat them for our own sustenance (in which case, death should still be administered respectfully). Thus, I find little sympathy for SacJB when he seeks to fight a bear.