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frank2008- 06-28-2008

Of course we would, but if it didn't work would it be a strong suggestion that they don't work or would you put it down to it being a monkey? That's the clincher Frank. Sure, if RIngs don't work on monkey very probable they don't work on humans. I know what you mean..you are already convinced they will not work, so you don't want to lose time on it.. But just think how would be amazing for you to discover they really work on your monkey! You could become famous as "the first scientist who scientifically proved Immortality Rings' effects " - abstract. :)

DrSchadenfreude- 06-28-2008

No, I'm not worried about wasting my time because of that. If I was so closed minded I wouldn't be here anymore, to be honest. What I'm worried about is rather the exact converse: that whatever test I try, it won't make a dent in your faith because you're already convinced the rings DO work for you.

v71- 06-28-2008

you could start with simpler organism, if chi is universal , worms should channel and use it too, since worms lifes are verys short, it should be easy to test for longevity. just put 2 big magnets over a worm-like habitat and see what happens

frank2008- 06-28-2008

No, I'm not worried about wasting my time because of that. If I was so closed minded I wouldn't be here anymore, to be honest. What I'm worried about is rather the exact converse: that whatever test I try, it won't make a dent in your faith because you're already convinced the rings DO work for you. Well, maybe will not convince me completly, but it would be a strong suggestion. Anywa , that would be useful to convince YOURSELF, if you really are not closeminded and so now you don't know if they work or not. Am I right?

DrSchadenfreude- 06-28-2008

This is true, Frank yes. Still, I think experimenting with myself would convince me more, which is what I plan to do. I feel uneasy about involving animals at all because of my strong ethical convictions towards them. I don't believe in caging them. My hardware store is out of magnets but said they'd have some in this week. I may well need your help in verifying that my device is properly assembled. Then I'll perform the preliminaries, (Do I feel better or worse? Is my skin better or worse?) Also, inevitably we'll then all be on an even footing as people who have firsthand knowledge of the rings - equal Type II's, if such a thing exists. I promise you, I am no cynic. At the moment I do not know if they work or not; I've not been given any decent evidence FOR them so I'm naturally skeptical but I've been told that in trying them I'll feel the evidence for myself. So that's what I'm doing. I'm open to any feeling or new experience.

frank2008- 06-28-2008

What's unethical in trying to cure a sick monkey by a painful treatment a alex chiu's rings. I think you are just lazy.

DrSchadenfreude- 06-28-2008

I'm not at all lazy, I just think better experiments would work better first! If they don't and I need to find a sick monkey and I can have ALEX'S personal assurance they work on monkeys (we both know a bit about how biology works, but how much do you know about how Chinese medicine works. Do monkeys have pinkies?) then I will. But, for a start, I want to try other experiments first.

frank2008- 06-28-2008

Well, sure monkeys have pinkies (little fingers). Why don't you do BOTH experiment at same time, one on you and one on a sick monkey? That would be a complete trial.

Knightwriter- 06-28-2008

This is true, Frank yes. Still, I think experimenting with myself would convince me more, which is what I plan to do. I feel uneasy about involving animals at all because of my strong ethical convictions towards them. I don't believe in caging them. My hardware store is out of magnets but said they'd have some in this week. I may well need your help in verifying that my device is properly assembled. Then I'll perform the preliminaries, (Do I feel better or worse? Is my skin better or worse?) Also, inevitably we'll then all be on an even footing as people who have firsthand knowledge of the rings - equal Type II's, if such a thing exists. I promise you, I am no cynic. At the moment I do not know if they work or not; I've not been given any decent evidence FOR them so I'm naturally skeptical but I've been told that in trying them I'll feel the evidence for myself. So that's what I'm doing. I'm open to any feeling or new experience. If you are taking you my challenge I would prefer if you bought the rings from Alex as you can get the right setting and they are very easy to use, don't slip at night etc. And with gp and scf Alex says it is best to use the normal rings, otherwise the pressure can be too much and healing can be less.

DrSchadenfreude- 06-29-2008

Whilst I'm working on the longterm idea, considering the claims made on the website that the rings work within days to heal more than thirty times as fast as normal, there must be a simple, short term test that could prove or disprove this claim - not necessarily disproving the ring's power, but disproving that they are SO powerful that they heal you thirty times faster than the natural healing process. I put it to you that you could devise a test that would prove or disprove that within a week or two from now - easy. If any ring user things that the rings stand up to testing, i.e, believes that the rings work then they should jump at this chance.

Knightwriter- 06-29-2008

Whilst I'm working on the longterm idea, considering the claims made on the website that the rings work within days to heal more than thirty times as fast as normal, there must be a simple, short term test that could prove or disprove this claim - not necessarily disproving the ring's power, but disproving that they are SO powerful that they heal you thirty times faster than the natural healing process. I put it to you that you could devise a test that would prove or disprove that within a week or two from now - easy. If any ring user things that the rings stand up to testing, i.e, believes that the rings work then they should jump at this chance. My mindset is similar to yours mate, but I have just tipped to believing Alex is onto something (how much I don't know) because I have gotten positive results, including becoming better looking after three months of gp and scf. You could cut yourself (a small painless wound), measure the time it takes to heal and then do the same again except this time wear the neo rings for 8 hours a night and see if it takes less time to heal. That would tell us it it heals wounds quicker at least. I'd imagine it would if I have gotten positive long-term results, but I am much more comfortable with a long-term all embracing test as it may take a while for results to kick in and they may be far more noticable in some areas than others.