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frank2008- 05-16-2008
THERE IS NO REINCARNATION
I think soul comes out from brain. When body is damaged, brain stops working and soul simply disappears forever. There is not afterlife, not reincarnation. If we want immortality we need physical immortality NOW.

AlexYCChiu- 05-16-2008

Well there are a few things that need explaining. For example, why do people, animals, or even plants desire offsprings? Why must living beings keep their family lines alive? Must be to keep their own spirit alive, right? If so, is not reincarnation a possibility? Hey there is a reason why we do what we do. Animals are not giving birth for no reason what so ever. Animals like fish and most bugs leave their eggs right after birth. So they will never see their own offsprings hatch. But why are they giving birth? And some lay millions of eggs. Why go thru the trouble? This is just a theory for now. A mere belief, nothing more. I won't insist on it. But looks like a very good model.

Knightwriter- 05-16-2008

Well I believe that we have a human life and a spiritual existence that are intertwined but also separate. DNA wants to survive, but that is not necessarily connected to anything spiritual. And we simply don't know yet if we survive death and the soul lives on. I think it is true based on big picture understanding, but I would not say I am certain and certainly wouldn't force my beliefs on anyone else, like ATA. That is inherently wrong.

shefe- 06-06-2008

Frank, you have proven to be the best moron in the forum so far.

v71- 06-06-2008

I know we have a 'soul' that survives the death of the body , i did many astral travels , and i know for sure that we are a soul possessing a body. Not the contrary

myfantasia- 06-06-2008

Really v71? How did you learn to do this. And I was told it was dangerous if you didn't know what you were doing

v71- 06-07-2008

Absolutely it is not dangerous , i have a natural tendency to go out of the body as soon as i relax and try get asleep .

myfantasia- 06-07-2008

I think that would be so fun. Did you go places or is it like lucid dreaming. Is the time the same is what I'm asking I guess. Day is day and night is night and you go to where ever at that time frame you are astral

v71- 06-07-2008

When you are in astral everything you see , hear, experience is strongly influenced by your mind. I had few episodes where i had the true perception of realty, most of the times, the 'world' around your self molds accordingly to your mental state. Its like lucid dreaming, and i think that actually lucid dreaming is astral travelling. When we sleep we are faced with 2 possibilites, let the brain use the arcketip ( sp? ) of the creator or 'detach' from the body and travel around. When you dream you create your reality, with events, people and places . When you astral travel, things takes another course. I think that the 2 events are strongly related. During the astral travel the 'soul' is still attached to the body through the 4th charckra, it forms a channel where the enrgy from the physical body and the astral are running to allow the body to continue working and the physical memory to register the experience. During this phase, you can interact with the true essence of reality. This is not easy, you need to master this dimension, because everything you see , is filtered by the mind, perception is distorted, astral beings might come near you and take your darkest fears, it happened to me a pair of times , when you feel an intense fear you are immediately sent back in your body , normally you awake with your heart running furiosuly. It is possible to astral travel in a fully conscious state, just liek the wake state. Once it happened that i found myself sititng near my bed, one night, i saw everything dark around me, and i move to turn the lights on , with my greatest surprise my hand passed trhough the wall , whe i realized that i woke up into my bed. Further more, once i travelled almost 1 hour into the future. Note that i didn't want to astral travel at all, in fact this is something that is totally out of my control. That's why i can't take franco's challene, but this night before i fall asleep , i will focus on franco's photo and i will ask to the universe's mind to show me where he lives, then i see what happens during the sleep

Anonymous- 06-07-2008

I think that would be so fun. Did you go places or is it like lucid dreaming. Is the time the same is what I'm asking I guess. Day is day and night is night and you go to where ever at that time frame you are astral It depends on what 'plane' you are on. There are overtones of the 3rd dimension that pretty well mirror this reality even with time. But your thoughts can affect and create things -or you could experience night as day by experiencing this dimension during the recent past or future- as can someone dreaming in proximity to you from what I have found. Robert Bruce refers to the plane that mirrors this reality as 'The Real Time Zone'. This is usually where people begin their projection. But you can quickly slip to another plane or create things with your mind that alter the area you are in without trying to. I think with the more experience you have, the easier it is to stay in the Real Time Zone.