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DPRK- 08-17-2007
The Official FUCK ATA1 & Vehcklox Thread
Let's get one thing clear straight away. Cannabis is not "a drug". Or rather, it is, but the term "drug" immediately gives rise to all sorts of associations that are mostly political. In the first instance, and this should be remembered when talking about "drugs" in any negative sense, is that cannabis is a plant. It is when this natural substance is prepared and then ingested in certain ways that it becomes a drug: exactly the same way that alcohol is based on natural ingredients (yeast, water, sugar, barley/hops/anything else) prepared in certain ways, as is heroin (the opium poppy), cocaine (the coca leaf) and so on. Drugs do, quite literally, grow on trees. It is when we associate these natural substances with the usually pejorative term "drug" that they start becoming the sorts of things politicians, newspapers, teenagers get interested in.... but please remember, it's just a bloody flower.

TheATA1- 08-18-2007

....and in this picture they are growing opium and and cutting them to make heroin. This is a drug reference picture with a plant. All those pictures you have been using of marijuana plants look like they are the hybrid types designed to have increased drugs in them. Also the pictures are of prized sections of the plant which have most of the drugs in them. Moderators please delete my post as it contains illegal drug pictures, I used it to make my point, now I have made my point, delete it along with the other violations in the TOS. Also this current thread topic also Violates the TOS because it has a slang word in it. Seriously Moderators get on the ball here, you have all been too slack for too long, it's time now to cut that slack. If you are not up to the task then get a moderator that is, make me a moderator and I assure you these problems will not happen. Also let me remind you I was the originator of this forum, I started it up after the old one was closed down along with drew. If it was not for me you people would not be posting here.

vision- 08-18-2007

AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH wooow this is what crack will do to you kids. ata is like that crackhead walking around all doped up telling people not to do drugs while he himself is fucked up

Vehcklox- 08-18-2007
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Marijuana should only really be used to treat cancer, or should be an optional resort for someone experiencing severe pain, or anorexia IMHO. Marijuana not only kills brain cells and over time turns you into a stoner, but the nature of this drug severely harms one spiritually, because the ego (the sin inside of someone) becomes larger and more active with it's use. For example, people say that smoking marijuana brings out the qualities inside of you that you like to see: some people become more ambitious, others more sexual, and each according to what vices they value. (even my ex has told me this) And this drug affects some much worse than others beause their vice is violence, or fear, or something more dangerous, which could come out and seriously hurt someone, which before was just more of a subconscious quality. Marijuana kills the soul. See this thread for the specifics. Marijuana is food and fuel and leverage for demons of the mind.

jc- 08-18-2007

Make me a MODERATOR - I know whats right and wrong and im always watching.. You cant TRUST someone who says a PLANT is a DRUG and keeps teaching others about it - How stupid can you get !! If im a MODERATOR I will make sure any disgusting pictures ATA1 posts will be gone in a sec ! ATA - You lost your respect here a long time ago - You aint doin any better - STOP TRYIN !

DPRK- 08-18-2007
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LMAO.. You're no better than ATA1. Just another religious loony. I refer you to the following passages: "I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more." (Ezekiel 34:29) A healing plant. On either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare 12 manner of fruits, and yielding her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Revelations 22:1-2) A gift from God. Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." (Isaiah 18:4-5) Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3) Jesus says, "Light it up!"

kamebazooka- 08-18-2007

....and in this picture they are growing opium and and cutting them to make heroin. This is a drug reference picture with a plant. All those pictures you have been using of marijuana plants look like they are the hybrid types designed to have increased drugs in them. Also the pictures are of prized sections of the plant which have most of the drugs in them. I agree that marijuana leaf symbolizes illegal drug, but if you make such a strict ban, then almost no image can be posted. You have posted poppy plant to symbolize heroin, but to me, it symbolizes only poppies, and I think of poppy seed the food before I think of the drug. It is more reasonable to draw the line at images of where the drug is in popular usable form, such as in a joint or a bong. The marijuana leaf is part of a plant that has other uses besides drugs. I heard that the US constitution is written on hemp. If this is true, then if someone posts a picture of the constiution, then even that image must be banned if you apply this ban so strictly.

DPRK- 08-18-2007

ATA1 is just being a dick and thinks he is all mighty. He is also a closet homosexual that is into coprophilia.

Vehcklox- 08-18-2007
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LMAO.. You're no better than ATA1. Just another religious loony. I refer you to the following passages: "I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more." (Ezekiel 34:29) A healing plant. On either side of the river, was there the tree of life, First of all, cannabis gives you the munchies, so the notion that it would take away hunger is rediculous. The tree of life, is also mentioned in the book of Genesis, and Revelation. "the tree of life" and "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". It is the tree of the Kabbalist Jews, it is an esoteric diagram which maps the zodiac, the cosmos, and the spiritual interior of all living things, it is also a map of the varying spiritual dimensions of nature. Whosoever eats from the tree (performs the way of the Lord: kundalini yoga) can be healed, and save their soul, and enter the kingdom. The tree is known to have it's origins in traditions such as the Norse Yggdrasil tree, an Egyptian hieroglyph depicts the tree with Isis leaning out from amid it's bows. The tree also stems from the wisdom inherited by the Jews from the ancient Babylonian mystery schools. Inbetween the points of the tree are lines which correspond to the 22 arcana of the Tarot: which bare 12 manner of fruits, and yielding her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. I'm glad you found me this verse so I can add it to my collection, thank you. Notice it says very clearly: 12 fruits, bearing those fruits every month... The 12 fruits of the tree are the 12 zodiac signs, one for each month... attributed to the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 disciples etc. In the bible, the cardinal signs (Aries, Libra, Capricorn, and Cancer) represent the 4 leading tribes, which in Hebrew astrology take the symbols of: Lion, Man, Eagle, and Ox. "Judah's tribal standard was, of course, the lion. Reuben's ensign was a man; Ephraim's the ox; Dan's, ultimately, the eagle. These are detailed in the following diagram." neither bear the shame of the heathen any more Those who utitlize the power of the tree, awaken chakras, powers, psychic abilities, regenerate the glands, gain strength etc. Even some plants which allow someone to enter into the astral plane are not harmful, but LSD is harmful. Plants for medicine are usually very good, sometimes more than others. The bible advocates wine and in other places denounces it. It's something to be used for celebration but not strong drink or in excess. The quote you're referring to doesn't indicate marijuana either, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." (Isaiah 18:4-5) Your quote, again doesn't say anything about Cannabis. If they did use it, it wouldn't be in excess. Remember Jesus refused to drink the wine drugged with myrrh that was known to be a painkiller, while he was dying on the cross. , there was a reason. There are appropriate times and inappropriate times/uses. And the fact that someone used it doesn't change that it will bring out and expand the ego and be harmful in excess. Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3) First of all, if an herb is for meat, what is meat for? Eating, food, rations. Second if someone abstains from meats, and this verse isn't speaking in a parable, does it automaticly mean he's talking about herbs? No. Marijuana isn't inscence, inscence is inscence. Third, why would there be talk about people abstaining from meat in the New Testament? There was a big arguement over whether people should eat pork, which wasn't koshier to the Jews according to the laws of Moses. Pork is dangerous to consume because it might not be as good for you as something else, and it generates lust within the person eating it, which is dangerous to the work. But it is not unlawful or bad for those who can handle it. It's just something better avoided than not.

TheATA1- 08-18-2007

then if someone posts a picture of the constiution, then even that image must be banned if you apply this ban so strictly. No, the constitution is written on the fibrous processed part of the plant. It is gained from the stem, it was not written on the flowering part of the plant where all the drugs are, it was written from processed stem where there are no drugs.

Vehcklox- 08-18-2007
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Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." (Isaiah 18:4-5) I have something else to say about this, give me the verse where it talks about the number of ways cannabis was used, if not, then tell me why you're giving me the assumption that there weren't any more or less uses? Next, concerning the quote about the herbs and the harvest. Notice where it says "the lord said unto me", then he begins talking about a prophecy like a parable which relates to the future. Comparably we can look at Jesus's prophecy regarding the parable of the fig tree, and clearly see that he's not trying to give instructions on horticulture...... "Luke 21:29-32 29 He told them a parable. "See the fig tree, and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see it and know by your own selves that the summer is already near. Even so you also, when you see these things happening, know that the Kingdom of God is near. Most assuredly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all things are accomplished."" "This generation", "parable", "Kingdom of God". He's not talking about how to grow a fig tree..... This was taken from the Hebew astrology site referrence I made above, somewhat irrelevant, but it evidences that the Roman crucifix was an esoteric symbol for the cosmic astrological cross which was also a part of Judaism, meaning that if he's correct, Judaism and Roman Paganism have their root origin in the same truths. (Thus, the idea that religions are born, degenerate and die over time is validated, meaning that Paganism wasn't evil, rather it was outdated and dead and needed to be replaced/updated in accordance with the age) The cross was also discovered by early European voyagers above the alters in the temples of south American indians. The swastika, or wheel of life, is an example of the cross which originated from Nordic/Norse, Germanic, Asian, Hindu and Russian cultures. (to name a few)

kamebazooka- 08-19-2007

then if someone posts a picture of the constiution, then even that image must be banned if you apply this ban so strictly. No, the constitution is written on the fibrous processed part of the plant. It is gained from the stem, it was not written on the flowering part of the plant where all the drugs are, it was written from processed stem where there are no drugs. I doubt anyone can get high smoking the constitution, but regardless there are likely trace amounts of THC, so you cannot truthfully say with certainty there are zero drugs. Moreover, hemp symbolizes the legalization movement for marijuana, so it is a tacit endorsement for it, and so the constitution, being written on hemp, becomes a symbol for marijuana. If you follow the spirit and letter of the ban strictly, the constitution is prohibited. In fact, almost anything can be prohibited this way. This is the problem with level-0 thinking -- if you follow it to its logical end, the conclusion is ridiculous. I do not mean to judge, I know many productive and happy level-0 people. But they deal with this problem by simply not following their thinking to its bad conclusion. As a christian, I suggest you do a 'blank' or 'empty' prayer. The normal prayer usually asks for something of god, and is an act of selfishness, but this prayer is a pure form of worship -- simply repeat the name of god over and over. This will calm your mind may allow you to break out of level-0 thinking. (It is important not to ask god to calm your mind, because this reverts to normal prayer)

DPRK- 08-19-2007


coheecambriadude- 08-19-2007

There actually is a difference between marijuana and hemp. hemp has very little THC (and completely non-psychoactive). Marijuana has large amounts of THC and gets you high. Marijuana was first imported in the 1930s from mexico and given the name marijuana to distinguish it from hemp (a fiberous plant you didnt smoke). In the fifties hemp became a lost word and so did the industrial grade hemp. I might also add that in 1937 Congress began confusing the two words. then in the 80s a book called the emporer wears no clothes broght back the word "hemp" and used it correctly. Maybe this clears up why you wont get high off of the constitution, but you will get high off of a plant. Hope this helps. :)

TwistinUnderSchizophrenia- 08-19-2007

There's nothin like smokin a fat joint while watching the God of Metal, Ozzy Osbourne live. Good times.