Re: Years ago, I was studying idiosyncracies such as those, along with the gnostic texts. Notice some of the comments on that video. There is something the people who watch that video should come to recognize, before criticising Christianity:
There were many christs in the past, but there is only one king among them, and that is Jesus, this is because he is the only son (chokmah) of the father (keter), the others are sired from lower parts of the tree of life, in accordance with the needs of the age and the psychology of the people.
Yes the stories in the bible represent cosmic, and astrological truths, but they're no less historical or corporeal, in addition to this they are microcosmic, because the cosmos is reflected in the parts of the human body, his spirit and soul etc.
When people begin to recognize the bible's mythological (kabbalist) aspects, they become angry and accuse the book of being fiction, saying: 'Jesus wasn't really a man', as TheATA1 was falsely accusing me of.
This is wrong, as the book communicates many many paradigms simultaneously, and metaphoricly.
Jesus was a man, a god, a son of god, the sun of god, the force in the base of the spine, the sun itself, Chokmah on the tree of life, etc.
Literal, metaphorical, astrological, symbolic and otherwise, he was all of these things. Not just a metaphor for astrological symbolism, that would be terribly narrowsighted.
frank2008- 10-08-2007
I thought Tipharet was the quabalistic place for Jesus.
Vehcklox- 10-08-2007
Re: I thought Tipharet was the quabalistic place for Jesus.
I wasn't referring to 'place' when referrencing the tree. When you refer to the tree, saying: 'place', I get the sense you're talking about what dimension he inhabits primarily?
Actually now the place for him would be the Ain, above and beyond the tree (dimensionally speaking) but he still lives here because he chooses to (supposably). He can live in the physical world, and all of the superior dimensions, utilize ubiquity etc. Tiphereth is related to the causal world (dimension). To be born as a christ, he had to renounce nirvana, but now he renounces the Ain, so that he can be here helping us.
When I made referrence to the tree, I was describing the part of the tree from which he incarnated the spirit of christ. Remember that the tree is a diagram for many different truths simultaneously. So you could be talking about spiritual aspects, or dimensions, or zodiacal influences when referrencing it. He was the christ of Chokmah. This person Samael Aun Weor claims to be a christ of Geburah (mars christ, red christ) to give an example.
But because Chokmah is synonymous with christ, it can be said Jesus was the 'christ of christs'. The trinity, as I said before is represented by the top of the tree. So the "son of god" would be Chokmah the second sphere.
I've heard too, people say the father is Keter, Tiphereth is the son, and Yesod is the holy spirit. This might ring true in some other regard, as thats the only other way the tree can be divided into 3 parts, by rows instead of columns, but I stated what I've been taught.
Vehcklox- 10-08-2007
Re: I presented the question on a board and recieved this answer:
"The are many different applications of the Law of Three upon the Tree of Life.
Kether is the center of gravity of the Supernal Triangle and is closely related with the Ain Soph, Tiphereth is the center of the Ethical Triangle and is closely related with Chokmah, and Yesod is the center of the Magical Triangle and is closely related with the Holy Spirit."
I think what is being said, is that the first 3 sephirot are each related to the 3 colums and 3 rows simultaneously and respectively, so that Keter alone relates the Logoic triangle (keter, chokmah, binah), Chokmah is related to the Ethical triangle (Chesed, Geburah, Tiphereth), and Binah relates to the magickal triangle of the Priesthood (Netzach, Hod, Yesod).
TheATA1- 10-08-2007
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
If you don't want to believe, thats fine, you are missing out on alot and will have eternal damnation.
You do not have to give up sin to be Christian, all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you will be saved.
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Although when you reach heaven, you will have to account for all your sins and god will say "you became christian but yet you still sinned and not repented, why?" I would not want to have to answer that question, nor would you so regardless make sure you repent.
Vehcklox- 10-08-2007
Re: Sin is not merely an event or action. It is written, whosoever sins is a slave to sin. Therefore repentance is beyond merely an apology. Sin is a form within which must be undone, this is repentance. Christ is more than the man who died at calvary, that death is to happen within us all or Jesus would not have called upon his followers to take up their cross and follow him.
I take up my cross, and christ in me, who I raise up within myself is made a sacrifice for the sake of removing the sin inside, this is repentance. For it is said among many, the lamb of God takes away the sins of the world.
Christ and the holy spirit are in you, and with you whether you accept or believe in them or not, yes, even in the atheists:
1 Corinthians 6:18-20
".....he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you...."
Having been conscious for years of a very heavy sin inside me, I was never free from it, not through prayer or apology to God. Only when I began meditation and transmutation pranayama did the lord destroy my sin, and I was made free. I declare to you what I have experienced with my own soul.
You have quoted the great apostles who declared what they've seen and heard, but you have not recieved my testimony. You do not accept that Jesus's life is a roadmap for what is expected to happen esotericly inside each individual (the microcosm). You do not accept that the life of Jesus portrays a cosmic drama which is the glory of the constellations
(the macrocosm). You only want to see a watered-down exoteric form, solicited and spread through the ends of the earth.
I tell you, on the day of judgement, sorry is not enough. If the forms of sin remain within you, whether conscious or subconscious, comprehended or not, they will drag you to the pit. There is no other way but mystical death. Therefore, we all need our cross. Jesus has given us a prerequisite to following him, taking up our cross, our own cross is what we need. (Mark 8:34), so to believe in Jesus, and have faith, following after the lord requires that we too, carry a cross, on which our sins are purged in full. But because I said we purge our own sins, do not think this is not by Jesus, for I have stated: Christ and the holy spirit are even inside the atheists. Without Christ, we cannot sacrifice on our own cross.
amonra9- 10-19-2007
But "Vehcklox",you forget that all souls become in the end enlightened through meditation but first they must go through thousands of rebirths to
devolop on to such stage of consciouness.In other words:people who dont
care at all or dont understand at all spirituality are usually souls who have
still many lifetimes to go.So it is unwise to try to convince them to become
enlightened.
Jack Walters 999
TheATA1- 10-19-2007
Spirital Enlightenment is of the devil. Using meditation to find god is stupid, your creating a god in your mind to respond to you, any insights you have is of the devil. People refer to meditation and prayer as the same thing, they are not, totally different. Previous Past lives are lies, there are more people alive today that have ever died in history, how can everyone have 10 previous past lives, it is an absurdity, and they always claim they were famous like a king or queen. Do not be decieved, reincarnation is a lie of the devil, it simply is not true. Transmeditation which they use in many easten and hindu religions all claim that you find the little god inside you, they claim that we are all gods and when you become enlightened you discover this.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Satan tells you, you will be like gods, Enlightenment says the same thing as the devil.
Becoming Enlightened generally requires raising the Kundalini, Kundalini is satan. Kundalini is described as a coiled snake which springs up though the body into the brain. Performing this is referred as being enlightened and becoming like god, ie Satans venom released directly into the brain. This is the same old story as in the Garden of Eden, but if you eat from this tree, it's not just falling from innocence from Eden to earth, but falling from earth into hell.
Enlightenment raises a big red flag, keep well away from it for you will become decieved and be a follower of the devil.
This is a picture of someone being decieved.
Is this the serpent raising up in a persons spine.
This is someone who as wakened the kundalini, you really do not want to do it.
This is a better picture of the picture that Velohlex posted in another thread promoting the kundaini, see the serpent.
Now, before this, I used to pray and I know some prayers that have been answered (some faster than others). But these things are happening just like that. The funny thing is that I want to get rid of this Kundalini or whatever is called like, but I cant. I tried everything, but ... I'm still not like before. Now, I know when something is from God and something is not, and this is not. Do you know how it feels like when something is pushing you inside your body and you feel it like an energy (around your bottom or around your digestive system)? It's horrible! It gives you real nightmares with spirits. I just posted a dream of somebody who I think pushed me in this, and raised (or possessed) the energy in my body
This is from a private message I received on another forum which I have been bringing people to Christ, This is a forum where they practice Astral Projection. I do what I can, but I tell you raising Kundalini, once it's happened to you, there is no going back from what I have gathered, it is perment.
Vehcklox- 10-19-2007
Re: But "Vehcklox",you forget that all souls become in the end enlightened through meditation but first they must go through thousands of rebirths to
devolop on to such stage of consciouness.In other words:people who dont
care at all or dont understand at all spirituality are usually souls who have
still many lifetimes to go.So it is unwise to try to convince them to become
enlightened. Jack Walters 999
It is said in Japan, there are ascetics who spend all of 30 years to awaken, and they achieve this. But as you say, it is most likely for people to spend many incarnations asleep, even with some practice. In centuries passed, this was so, as it was forbidden to teach the great arcanum publicly, it only was taught in secret societies, due to persecution and claims of scandal through the whole world.
Work with alchemy, whether through pranayama or white tantra, brings alot more power to dissolve the rudiments of the mind which keep it asleep. The work in meditation can happen much faster in someone who is sincere, but it is also much more dangerous. As an analogy, the Catholics do not permit people to partake of the eucharist unless they comprehend and repent of any grave sins, because that force will only serve to compound the problem unless the person is destroying the sin.
It is possible to self-realize in one life.
Vehcklox- 10-19-2007
Re: Spirital Enlightenment is of the devil. Using meditation to find god is stupid, your creating a god in your mind to respond to you
People who practice meditation, do so to let go of all concepts, so that the mind will be still, they are not creating any God, they are dissolving all conceptual distractions and sins.
People refer to meditation and prayer as the same thing, they are not, totally different.
This is true, a person needs prayer to acquire help from God. A person needs meditation in order to comprehend and repent.
Transmeditation which they use in many easten and hindu religions all claim that you find the little god inside you, they claim that we are all gods and when you become enlightened you discover this.
John 10:34-36
"Jesus answered them, Has it not been written in your Law, 'I
said, you are gods'? If he called them gods, to whom the word
of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken, do you say of
Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You
are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?"Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Satan tells you, you will be like gods, Enlightenment says the same thing as the devil.
You forget to mention, that the serpent tempts the woman to eat the fruit, and to share it with her husband. The purpose of white tantra, is to perform the act for the very purpose of denying one's own desires, the complete opposite of engaging in temptation. The person who egages in their own desires during the act, eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The person who engages in the act to destroy their desires is eating from the tree of life.
Becoming Enlightened generally requires raising the Kundalini, Kundalini is satan. Kundalini is described as a coiled snake which springs up though the body into the brain.
Verses from John 3:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Jesus has said, as I pointed out elsewhere, that if anyone wants to follow him, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow him. We must be raised up just as Jesus was raised up, just as Moses raised up the serpent.
The serpent must be raised up. Jesus is the archetype for how we are to live our lives. We must perform the work he did, and understand the symbology of his life. He lived for 33 years, there are 33 vertebrae of the spine. He was sacrificed on the hill of the skull, we must raise the serpent up to the place of the skull to sacrifice our own sins within. The serpent is not just a symbol for evil, it is also a symbol which is most holy. Lucifer is the serpent, the serpent can be either for good (if raised up) or for evil (if fallen into temptation).
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
There isn't a person who has ascended to heaven, who hasn't first descended. Even Jesus fell from grace in ages passed, but rose up again
as we must do. No one is exempt from the fall of Eden, all have broken the law in past lives. Read the verse very carefully.Performing this is referred as being enlightened and becoming like god
1 John 3:9
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Those who do not orgasm during coitus (ever), are performing kundalini yoga.
Gnostic glossary on kundalini yoga:
"These two forces, one positive and ascending, and one negative and descending, are symbolized in the Bible in the Book of Numbers (the story of the Serpent of Brass). The Kundalini is “The power of life.”- from the Theosophical Glossary. The Sexual Fire that is at the base of all life.
"The ascent of the Kundalini along the spinal cord is achieved very slowly in accordance with the merits of the heart. The fires of the heart control the miraculous development of the Sacred Serpent. Devi Kundalini is not something mechanical as many suppose; the Igneous Serpent is only awakened with genuine Love between husband and wife, and it will never rise up along the medullar canal of adulterers."
Is this the serpent raising up in a persons spine.
Is this the man who lived for 33 years a living symbol for our own spinal columns?
This is someone who as wakened the kundalini, you really do not want to do it.
This is someone who has awakened the kundalini, and is even showing others how to! His name is Moses. You really do want to do it!
This is a better picture of the picture that Velohlex posted in another thread promoting the kundaini, see the serpent.
This is an even better picture of the serpent (the pole) with two serpents wrapped around it. Oh wait!! It's a picture for the symbol of modern medicine!
It's horrible! It gives you real nightmares with spirits. I just posted a dream of somebody who I think pushed me in this, and raised (or possessed) the energy in my body
Anyone who endeavors to become a battery of energy, or go against the
slavery of the world will be attacked by the evil ones, the thief in the night
comes to rob, kill and steal, as it is written, and we must be ever vigilant. The kundalini does not awaken or rise any more than a vertebrae at a time over the course of years. One needs absolute patience and great faith to ward off, combat, and exorcise demoniacs. Only a true warrior is able to overcome not only himself, but his own fears, and protect himself against the thieves. I do not think this man raised the kundalini, I think he was being attacked spiritually for what he was doing, and in his ignorance, he panicked.
John 10:10
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
John 10
"Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
once it's happened to you, there is no going back from what I have gathered, it is perment.
Not so, it ascends or descends according to the merits of the heart, or the nature of the fault. It will not ascend instantly, but may take an entire year for a single vertebrae. It will not even begin ascending until the glands and internal organs are regenerated. Any fear monger who assumes their experience is otherwise, is mistaken for something else.
Vehcklox- 10-19-2007
Re: In spite of everything said, this is really the bottom line when it comes to the bible:
The ATA1 is speaking against the practice of kundalini yoga.
The only rule to practicing kundalini yoga correctly, is to live according to the bible, when it says in so many verses:
A. To never orgasm
B. To deny oneself, deny one's desires.
That's it. So, basicly, when you see him here on the board, slamming the practice, understand that he's blaspheming the holy spirit.