Qigong Demo

This one is pretty wild too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRbWrqQpx5Q But, as far as the Randi challenge. You have to remember what the guy said in the first video, that these things are sacred esoteric truths, not to be shown around so much in public. Fundamentalists, barbarians, degeneration, all of this has attempted to completely remove esotericism from the world's religions. Therefore, for centuries it has always needed to remain in the hands of an isolated few, usually princes or kings, or monks who have earned the right to know such things. As far as winning a million dollars, to do this goes against spiritual morals, because the truths, what they lead to, and their necessity for having been kept secret is much more valuable than any amount of money. Unless you're a dark magician and you just don't care, then maybe you'll flaunt it around like Chris Angel or something.

But, as far as the Randi challenge. You have to remember what the guy said in the first video, that these things are sacred esoteric truths, not to be shown around so much in public. If he is willing to show it to a film crew, he can certainly afford to show it to a small, impartial team of observers. As far as winning a million dollars, to do this goes against spiritual morals, because the truths, what they lead to, and their necessity for having been kept secret is much more valuable than any amount of money. They do not need to keep this money. They can do with it what they like -- give it away, help the poor. Certainly those things cannot be against spiritual morals. I don't agree that it should be kept secret but that is irrelevant to the challenge. They don't need to reveal the secret behind how they develop this skill -- they just have to perform it under agreed conditions.

I think that guy was possessed and also I believe those demonstrations were scams. The guy lighting the newspaper could have been performed by someone off the camera with a magnifying glass, pushing a chopstick through the table, obviously there was already a hole in the table he just poked it through the table cloth. He said that his spirit master was angry with him, his master sounds like a devil. Do not be fooled by this mans tricks, if they are not tricks then this is devil power.

ATA wrote: I think that guy was possessed and also I believe those demonstrations were scams. The guy lighting the newspaper could have been performed by someone off the camera with a magnifying glass, pushing a chopstick through the table, obviously there was already a hole in the table he just poked it through the table cloth. He said that his spirit master was angry with him, his master sounds like a devil. Do not be fooled by this mans tricks, if they are not tricks then this is devil power. Wrong, Wrong Wrong.. Why do you say such things ? First saying that someone has lit that paper with magnafying glass is absolutely stupid, second - pushing that chopstick through the table i cant say if real or not.. Third- He said his spirit master so i cant say i agree with what he said because he is worshipping some spirit who he calls MASTER.. 4. - You said he must be possesed just because he is performing some type of power, this power is a gift from GOD to say correctly, no need to say he is the DEVIL, Jesus turned WATER into WINE does it mean he is the DEVILS son ? NO ! so any power which comes onto someone is simple a gift from GOD.

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As far as his master being a devil, didn't you hear he said it was his 'long dead master'? Meaning he was a person who taught him, but is now just discarnate, not a devil. If I remember right, even Saul talked to a woman who could speak to Samuel, who he knew when he was still alive in order to gain information about a situation. Even after he himself declared it against the law to do those kinds of things. She said she saw "gods" ascending out of the earth, not devils. 1 Samuel 28. So we see even in the bible, the use of divination is prohibited for a purpose, but it is also given exemption for a purpose. Not only this, but the answer the woman at Endor, who had a familiar spirit gives him, comes straight from the discarnate Samuel, and the nature of the advice is concerning what the Lord has done, which is then verified by the later verses. So was the information false? No. Why should people be weary of divinators or leave them alone? Three reasons. First of all one needs to be very cautious that the person knows the right precautions to take to not speak to a lying or demonic entity. Secondly, one should follow the way of the Lord, so that they correctly develop faculties of the holy spirit themselves, and not have to rely on someone else. Third, with power comes responsibility, which at certain times is more abused than others, as Jesus has indicated by calling his peers of the day: 'an adulterous generation', which implies that some generations are more sinful than others. Enough said. We must not think of rules as absolutes, otherwise we miss the example Jesus has given us, to show us that even the rules have a time and place and proper reason to be broken. What is the reason Jesus cast out the ability of a divinator to read for people? Because she was being taken advantage of by greedy men. Think about that for a moment. The late Edgar Cayce, famous sleeping prophet, is noted to have helped a myriad of people. But he also helped some oil drillers who he shouldn't have. We see by his life, that whenever he was helping someone who had a greedy intention, he would always get a headache and be unable to read. As a countermeasure for this, he placed his wife in charge of asking him all questions so that she could act as a filter for greedy requests.

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I think that guy was possessed and also I believe those demonstrations were scams. So which is it, was he posessed or was it a scam? Or maybe you think some of that was a scam and the rest was posession? Did Jesus not say that you shall do greater than this, when referring to the supernatural abilities he was demonstrating? This is our birthright, but not by demonic power, but by the power of God. Whether or not someone has an ability is not nearly as important as learning the difference between what is demonic and what isn't. Instead of sitting there raising accusations at the drop of the hat (which is what the people in the new testament did to Jesus), wouldn't it be better to investigate what idiosyncracies may constitute something demonic from what isn't? Or a means by which to tell? Jesus calls himself our 'elder brother' and gives criticism when someone calls him a 'good' man, preferring to diliniate that there is a difference between himself and God. Yet you still have that signature up saying Jesus is God, making a false idol out of Jesus.

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In the Jewish tradition of the Kabbalah according to the gnosis of Samael, it is said the chi body (ethereal body) is related to the sephirah Yesod. Likewise the bodies of the soul correspond to the sephiras: Hod, Netzach and Tipheret. Iron Penis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfhxVmdXZ4 Oven Palms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE Qigong puts animals to sleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsFndVCjMk A man rings a bell using sound, the power of his Kiai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FZjHAijc0k

Sorry I just don't believe it, I do not believe in Eastern Mysticism. Also if he was using chi, according to alex he should be healthier and live forever because the rings increase the level of chi, how come no one here can do these chi miricls but yet claim they are immortal because of extra chi from the rings.

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Sorry I just don't believe it, I do not believe in Eastern Mysticism. Also if he was using chi, according to alex he should be healthier and live forever because the rings increase the level of chi, how come no one here can do these chi miricls but yet claim they are immortal because of extra chi from the rings. First of all, can the New Testament shed any light on the matter? I think it can, because one of the tenets of Qigong is that there is one single point on the human body which acts as a gathering place for chi energy: the 'Lower Dan-Tien'. The lower dan-tien is the area just below the navel. Notice in the first video I posted, the master invites the scientists and the camera woman to touch him there on his belly, and then he emits a heat or shock which visibly jolts them. John 7:37 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"

We know that accupuncture has spread through the west due to president Nixon's healing, and the testimonials of countless Americans. The only scientific foundation which accupuncture has to rest on, is Qigong. Therefore, accupuncture alone by proxy, gives validity to the notion of Qigong. What's more, it's the one cop-out the Chinese government could choose in order to cut healthcare costs, and it worked wonderfully. Chi won't make you immortal, but it will allow you to live much longer and in much better shape. It is probably necessary for Alex to generate hype and controversy, not unlike the way 'naturalcures.com' is run, so that this can kickstart interest in a new community. There are energies related to the spiritual bodies which are beyond the body of chi. Only a ressurrected master who has been granted the gift of the "elixer of long life" is able to keep a physical body indefinately. Thus we have the accounts of such persons as St. Germain. When someone is born, they are only alotted so many "values" or energies given to them to be recieved by the chakras in one life (if I remember right), therefore the longevity of an individual is based upon how much of this they're able to recieve, the limit of how much there is, the nature of one's karma, and ego among other factors. Chi is just one of many energies we have access to, and only a drop in the bucket as far as factors we can take advantage of to grant us longevity. There is a video of a master who is 90 years old, and this is visibly noticable, but at the same time it is also noticable he has the spunk and strength of someone in their 20's. I can't currently find that video again, but if I had a link I would post.

Is chi energy supernatural? then that is also a subject for $1million prize. Unfortunately, you cannot use accupuncture as proof, since it is largely placebo effect. There was a study where they had people administered fake accupuncture. That is, the accupuncturist stuck needles almost at random, not according to any accepted accupuncture wisdom. People felt same pain-relief. The electric shock is much better proof. If you can find someone who can generate such supernatural energy, please have them submit for testing.

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Is chi energy supernatural? then that is also a subject for $1million prize. Unfortunately, you cannot use accupuncture as proof, since it is largely placebo effect. There was a study where they had people administered fake accupuncture. That is, the accupuncturist stuck needles almost at random, not according to any accepted accupuncture wisdom. People felt same pain-relief. The electric shock is much better proof. If you can find someone who can generate such supernatural energy, please have them submit for testing. If by supernatural you mean beyond or not subject to the old laws of physics, then yes. Currently it's not a form of energy truely measurable by science, other than to observe that it has an electro-magnetic property. As I said before, chi belongs to the ethereal body, and is related to the sephira: Yesod, which represents the 4rth dimension. The laws of physics deal with the manifestation of energies which appear in the 3rd dimension. Likewise, thoughts and emotions are composed of that which exists in the 5th dimension (but which also have physical reprocussions in the brain such as gamma waves and electro-chemical reactions between neurons) Placebo effect. Let us look carefully at this. Why was accupuncture supported by Nixon to the extent that the ruler of American politics would put his own credibility on the line, and why has it become a health care modality comparable to western medicine? Don't you think Nixon and others tried other remedies which failed? Where was the placebo effect then? With all the stigma about trying some new eastern woowoo medicine like accupuncture, in a country which has been so religio-medically isolated from the rest of the world? You're being completely unrealistic. You need to look at the situational factors of that time and place, and the idiosyncracies of those people, adding this to your perspective. To assume that the practice has recieved such acclaim, and has spread even against the pressures and red tape of cynics in traditional western medicine only due to a placebo effect, is to accuse those who visit such practitioners of wasting their hard-earned money on a placebo that somehow only manifests by sticking pins into their skin, but yet cannot manifest if you go to see a regular doctor or make a change in diet. By means of critical reasoning, your arguement is completely absurd. When I see a video, which was recorded in the 70's like that, long before the era of digital photography enhancements or editing, where a man is setting paper on fire with his chi, or bending iron rods with their eyeballs, skepticism isn't the first thing I have in mind. Moreover, when you take an Aussie, put him in China, and he actually starts staring off in the distance as if he were in a coma because the monks are lifting more with their penises than he can with his massive arms, where is there room for skepticism?

I think the camera men and the chinese guy are all in on the scam, the reason? money, they probably generated money by filming these fake acts saying it is real but unable to verify with backup testing. Lets look at the facts, the camera men found a guy who could perform chi demonstration, then after the filming they said the guy went into hiding meaning that a scientist or skeptic could not verify. Then many years later the camera crew claim that the man called them and said he wants to be filmed again, so they filmed him doing chi demonstrations then after doing that he had to go into hiding again because his spirit guide was angry at him meaning that skeptics and scientists could not verify his chi abilities. The film crew again makes money claiming they filmed something supernatural but now can not be backed up because the demonstrator has disapeared making their videos unable to be proven true or false. Wake up to the facts people, the bible says "do not be deceived" do not be deceived by this trickery. Deu 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; This is a trick of the devil, if he can fool people into believing chi is real, they will then study eastern religions and assume the bible is irrelevant when all this chi and newage movements are going on.

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