PIRACETAM & RINGS
You MUST try piracetam nootropic with alex chiu's rings. It's incredible, it makes you 3 times smarter and your memory seems almost limitless! You also feel more healthy, body lighter, mind very relaxed and less need to sleep.

Do you use it in combination with DMAE? Is this during the sessions, with GP and SCF? This question is for you, Frank, and also for other forum members: Do you generally have sessions (rings+GP+SCF) in the evening, (2 hours) before going to bed, or earlier in the day, due to the stimulating action of the ginseng? Piracetam is also a stimulant. Has anybody here done more than one session in a day? I have noticed that somebody mentioned doing a session for 30 minutes; isn't it supposed to be for 2 full hours?

if this piracetam is a stimulant and more expensive than other stimulants such as caffeine, why not simply experiment with caffeine and other less expensive products? There was recently a study released about a placebo effect of the prices of drugs. People who were told their placebo pill cost, for example, $2 a pill, instead of 20cents a pill got a bigger benefit, even though it is the same pill. This may explain why name-brand drugs may 'work' better than generic drugs -- simply because they are more expensive.

No, it is not relevant to that; nootropic agents truly are better than mere caffeine. You may easily verify this with research via google or dogpile.

Is there such a study comparing piracetam versus caffeine? The reason I say it is worth experimenting with cheaper stimulants is simply because it is cheaper. If you find that you get as good a result with caffeine, then it doesn't matter to you what the chemical differences are between one and the other. Here is one way to try it: if you have a supply of piracetam and caffeine, prepare random doses of one or the other, or maybe even a mixture. on each day, keep a log of how you are affected. At the end of your experiment, you can reveal to yourself which dose you took on which day, and see if piracetam truly makes you feel better than caffeine.

OK, let's put it this way: It's like comparing a slice of bread to hemp seed oil. Well, after some thought, perhaps more like Red Bull vs. Sudafed. (which are both stimulants) It doesn't make sense to explain to you that which can be easily researched. Please look up "piracetam" (and DMAE). Caffeine is NOT a nootropic agent. I wonder if DPRK is correct about "FranK" being a "frankofiori" imposter. He denied ever using Memmi (which frankofiori suggested), and seldom -if ever- provides satisfactory responses.

Well, caffeine actually is nootropic, but not as good as piracetam. Also piracetam is good for brain andblood circulation health, while caffeine can be dangerous. I take both coffe and piracetam.

(Wikipedia) An array of studies found that caffeine could have nootropic effects, inducing certain changes in memory and learning. However, it is still not definitely clear whether the effect is negative or positive. In my book, that is not the same classification as a nootropic agent, and as you have admitted -at least implicitly- does not work in the same manner. Moreover, nootropicss cannot reach dangerous levels. This is according to my research, however, and recent discoveries might prove otherwise.

Caffeine is dangerous only in huge doses.
Caffeine is dangerous only in huge doses. Caffeine ehnances dopamine levels, and so awakes nerves. It improves creativity and makes you more active, but reduces learning and long term memory. PIracetam increase acetylcholine levels and improves neuronal communication and metabolism, ehanncing all brain's work, without negative side effects

The reason i think it is worth experimenting on your own to see if any expensive drug is truly effective versus an inexpensive drug (even one that is chemically different) is a recent news item about a wide class of anti-depression drugs shown to be no better than placebo for most people. (They did work better than placebo for severely depressed people.) Why couldn't the same be true of other drugs? You would not know unless you tried, and if a drug is expensive, that is a good enough reason to test yourself if a placebo or less expensive drug would not work just as well for you. Unless you have personally blind-tested piracetam vs. caffeine or piracetam vs. whatever, I don't think you can rule that possibility out, as there does not seem to be many comparative studies.

OK, I have NOT conducted a double-blind peer group study. However, I am the kind of person who is fairly objective (though that's kind of an oxymoron), i.e. I do not first theorise as to whether something will or will not work and psyche myself out. I simply try it. I have used piracetam & DMAE together. With absolute certainty, the effects are indeed felt, and are significantly different than caffeine, whether in coffee (dirtiest), green or white (cleanest) teas. Empirical evidence to me is the best confirmation. Franko: Please answer the initial questions! Why are you behaving so suspiciously?

I don't mean you must make an exhaustive scientific study -- I only suggested the simple test that you can try yourself. Let me ask, has anyone here ever taken a pill such as aspirin or tylenol and immediately felt better? I experienced this, but then I thought about it -- how could the pill work so quickly -- it has not even had a chance to dissolve yet. Here is the strange thing -- I continue to feel this instant relief phenomenon EVEN THOUGH I SUSPECT HIGHLY THAT IT IS PLACEBO EFFECT. I don't take tylenol often so I don't bother to run an experiment, but if they were expensive and I needed to buy them often, I surely would. kyle you mentioned some health problems, right? it's possible that such drugs are more effective in your case than in others.

I thought that you'd already known. I have been DIAGNOSED with Parkinson's Disease (i.e. I suffer from dystonia on the right side of the body, as well as having speech, balance and other symptomatic problems, which resemble PD, so it was their best guess). I no longer take drugs, as I prefer to suffer only the symptoms, rather than additionally side-effects (whilst only gaining some mobility). Piracetam has not appeared to have had any significant impact in this regard, and yet neither have I taken it on a consistent basis. I have terrible memory problems, esp short-term, so I forget to take it, even when leaving notes to do so. That said, moderately large doeses of CoQ-10 and nattokinase seem to have an effect. H2o2 definitely does as far as respiration is concerned, but as of yet inconclusive as to circulatory system. As soon as I can take care of some personal business matters, I will have the privacy to fast for 10 days, after which I will do kidney and liver cleanses. I will write about this in "Testimonials".

There was recently a study released about a placebo effect of drug prices. People who said their costs placebo pill, for example, $ 2 per pill, instead of 20cents a pill has a greater benefit, although it is the same pill. This may explain why brand-name drugs can "work" better than generic drugs - simply because they are more expensive.