Re:These are some excellent questions, and discussions, I will just post this link to the Gnostic
forum where I've seen a great deal of discussion from people experiencing similar. That would be another great place to ask. They share information from a myriad of books on subjects like this from Samael.
You can get a cd set called journeys out of body guiding you(training you to go into deep states etc.) how to do it created by hemisync never listened to it, but I imagine it would be good.
Marco, thanks for the help.
I have helped two people come to Christ in regard to becoming possessed by demons. People who begin practing Astral Projection quickly become infected with what these people called NEGS, or negative entities. Also energy raising which is recommend by APers also cause this. I highly recommend all to stear clear of this practice, it will cause problems.
http://www.demonbuster.com/ has some good prayers if you think you might be possessed. You might be suprised, alot of sickness and disease is caused by possession and many people do not know it.
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The point I was trying to make earlier about daydreams is that if you're daydreaming during the day, or notice when you meditate that you have discursive thoughts rather than being able to be in a completely blank state (even though you're more aware of daydreaming, than sleep dreaming), then it's basicly the same phenomenon. Something is blocking you from experiencing reality, even while awake, because your experience of reality is being interfered with by your own thoughts (dreams). Hence one reason why people aren't psychic, something in the mind is acting as a filter or block which doesn't permit external interaction of the conscious mind to the outside world.
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You might be suprised, alot of sickness and disease is caused by possession and many people do not know it.
Including you - Your possesed and dont know it - Your delusional
disorder is stopping you from taking a breath and say: '' Hey, i do have a problem, i need help - i must be possesed.''
Vehcklox , i like what you write - ATA sure is learning a lot from you.
Keep it up. :wink:
Vehcklox , i like what you write - ATA sure is learning a lot from you.
On the contrary it reaffirms my belief that Vehcklox is incorrect, yes he has studied alot texts which are not the word of god, the bible says to stay on the straight and narrow path, Vehcklox's path is anything but straight and narrow and how many paths? which one is right? only one leads to salvation the rest to destruction. I only limit myself to studying the word of god, the bible is what one should only read for spiritual knowledge, anything else which is not authored by god is authored by the devil and will lead you into hell.
Vehcklox it is time you repent of your sins, one of the worst sins you can commit is to lead people astray from the word of god which you are doing, you are saying there are other books other than the bible that by following their instructions can lead one to salvation, this is not true, they are all dead ends, and I mean a really DEAD END for the believer.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Max_Younce/pastor_younce.htm
Dr Max Younce has many sermons bebunking alot of what the catholics believe and what the Luthern church believes.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Max_Younce/rcc-mary.mp3
That tells you how much of a in it is to worship mary, you yourself said it did not matter who you worship, either the saints, mary or whatever, do not deceive people, it is wrong to worship these false idols.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Max_Younce/father-peter.mp3
This also tells how bad it is to call Priests Father, the lie of Purgatory and worshiping Mary and Peter like the Catholics do which you base your beliefs on, make no mistake, your gnostics texts which you believe in is what the catholic church believes in, infact I would class you as a Catholic Vehcklox.
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Vehcklox , i like what you write - ATA sure is learning a lot from you.
On the contrary it reaffirms my belief that Vehcklox is incorrect, yes he has studied alot texts which are not the word of god, the bible says to stay on the straight and narrow path, Vehcklox's path is anything but straight and narrow and how many paths? which one is right? only one leads to salvation the rest to destruction.
You say not to study anything else but the bible, but you're posting links and referrences to so many other men's works which serve to reiterate in one respect or another the teachings in the bible, whether half-sighted or not to whatever degree. Yet you fail to recognize other religions as referrences even though they do not contradict, and yet those were works of men inspired directly by God. Evil doctrines and practices are merely perversions of genuine religions, as they decay over time, or are cancers propogated by false prophets. The world religions have their roots in the truth.
It is true, and no lie, if someone only devoted themselves to the words of the bible, they may be saved, but which words and why? As I said before, people will not go out and stone their neighbor for whoredom. Haven't I been teaching the bible? Almost all of my quotes come directly from the bible. I only quoted a Gnostic text once, and made some referrences to paradigms in other religions, explaining in full detail, giving credibly and verifyable information on the esoteric nature of the bible.
What is the straight and narrow gate? The way is straight and narrow, but yet you need all the books of the bible to understand it? Your logic is rediculous, by your logic all of the referrences I made become by nature of your ignorance, completely justified.
What is the straight and narrow gate, and what is the context? It is ironic that you're quoting from Matthew 7, here is a good quote for you.
Matthew 7:1-4
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"
Here I am, dissolving my sins by the force of christ, which goes into the spine (having clearly documented how Jesus Christ is a synonym for an anatomical idiosyncracy), going to church to recieve that force further. Identifying, repenting (apologizing, AND DISSOLVING) But this is an offense to you?
The straight and narrow gate is a parable Jesus gives, because the gates in Jerusalem were built this way to prevent invaders from having an easy time. You literally need to bend down while walking through it. The same with repentance, to humble oneself.
As I have declared emphaticly before, as a fundamentalist Christian, putting my hands together to apologize to God did not remove my slavery of sin. Comprehending, meditating upon, utilizing alchemical pranayama and praying to have them destroyed did indeed, and is still freeing me from many terrible sins. So I ask you, what is the real test of whether someone is walking through that gate?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Few are those who find it, seek and ye shall find. Myriads of people assume that because they sit in church and listen to the exoteric doctrine, that they know Jesus or that in their ignorance they will go to heaven. This verse is a dead ringer for indicating there is a deeper esoteric nature to the doctrine which must emphaticly be digged for.
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
I see you here, preaching your exotericism, is there a ravening wolf inside?
Ravening wolves are those who burn Gnostics at the stake, they make grand speaches and sell snake oil. We all know what you believe, you've stated it myriads of times over, but in my words the people have found favor. Isn't this enough? Stop preaching if you are not recieved, knock the dust off your shoes as it is written. You do not, I think there is a ravening wolf who needs the esoteric repentance of christ. Nevertheless I am grateful for your many words, as you have taught me better about what I already know to be true, giving me ammo for the future, so I thank you kind sir.
Have you ever eaten fruit? "Good fruit" tastes good, grapes of thorns and figs of thistles are hard to bear. He said he likes what I write because the fruit tastes good, yours is like a thorn. Jesus had myriads of eager followers not droves of masochistic underlings.
How do I know I'm not following a wrong path? A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. This invites us to examine whether or not the words are true by testing them, and as I have already stated, by my own experimentation I have found the good fruit. I notice within myself I am becomming cleaner, and I do not err when I say in full that I recognized I was so full of garbage. Your zeal is not unfounded, all of this is terribly important, and you are cherished by God for your loyalty. But without understanding, the pit will consume you. It is said there are men in the astral pit, who hold a bible in hand, teaching people to save themselves, meanwhile they are already in the first hell, asleep to the fact.
Yet you warn me of condemnation because I teach people to test the words of the book, as to what they mean, just as I have and have reported my results. Meanwhile the book says clearly in so many words that you will know them by their fruits. Well then, we shall see, let the people test the words themselves, then they will know what is true.
Re:That tells you how much of a in it is to worship mary, you yourself said it did not matter who you worship, either the saints, mary or whatever, do not deceive people, it is wrong to worship these false idols.
I have already emphaticly stated, the lord is with us, and in us, and to observe the lord in other people, is to observe the lord in us as well.
The father dwells within, and we are to become one with him.
Do we not have intercessors? Does God not have his angels to intercede for him? And who are the angels, are they not those saints who have ascended the ladder of Jacob?
Genesis 16:7
"And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur."
Such idolatry! Why didn't the lord just show up there himself!
Genesis 19:1
"And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground"
Oh my God! He is worshipping the angels? Idolator!
Genesis 28:12
"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."
This also tells how bad it is to call Priests Father, the lie of Purgatory and worshiping Mary and Peter like the Catholics do which you base your beliefs on, make no mistake, your gnostics texts which you believe in is what the catholic church believes in, infact I would class you as a Catholic Vehcklox.
You are right by saying I'm a Catholic, I am a Gnostic Catholic,
I am not a Roman Catholic. You are spouting nonsense, the Roman Catholic church censored the Gnostic texts. They were the persecutors of the Gnostics. Didn't I quote from Maccabees and give referrences to text which verifies the bible supports the notion of purgatory? The Catholics created the bible, beginning with the council of Nicea, but somehow the Protestants reject the bible.
Both the bible and the teachings of Zoroastrianism reiterate the Buddhist notion that we need to awaken consciousness. They reiterate the esoteric notion that we need to awaken in the superior realms of heaven, the astral plane etc, and to study the profound mysteries of nature once we're awakened. We need to boldly deliver ourselves to those who would cause us to feel wronged, so that we may see the garbage within ourselves and destroy it by alchemy.
Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids. Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler. Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man."
Thus Spake Zarathustra:
Chapter LXX
Noontide.
"Now have ye slept your fill; for how long a time? A half-eternity! Well then, up now, mine old heart! For how long after such a sleep mayest thou--remain awake?"
I have helped two people come to Christ in regard to becoming possessed by demons. People who begin practing Astral Projection
How can you tell if it is a demon, and not just psychosis? If you can prove to me these are demons, I have $500,000 for you...
You can say whatever you like about the unseen world, and no one can prove you wrong, but once you make a fantastic claim in the real world, then you must show evidence to be taken seriously.
If these are demons then surely they must have extraordinary powers: the ability to move objects from far away, etc... Make a demonstration of this in a controlled condition, then surely you deserve the money.
I have helped two people come to Christ in regard to becoming possessed by demons. People who begin practing Astral Projection
How can you tell if it is a demon, and not just psychosis?
Very good question, here is another:
How can you tell if it is a demon, or whether the person IS the demon, because they're full of sin?
"To stop being demons is the objective of our studies" -Samael Aun Weor
I had this experience about few weeks back,
I slept at 1'o clock and after few hours, I suddenly felt something was bugging me around and i felt like rolling on the bed.
My heart was beating like Hell. I turned on my right side and felt so light, I turned back and i saw my body sleeping next to me. I wasn't afraid at that time, Because i have read this thing on a Story of King from South India 2000years back, which was a real story taken from the transcripts of his temple.
I didn't fell like dreaming. But everything was blurry..
My Questions are,
-When we do OBE, how to get back to the body??
-Is it safe to do this OBE by self learning?
-Can we see other spirits?
The people here won't give you a good answer on this topic. You should read some books about this topic and visit astral travel forums.
What do you mean by "how"? Do you want a scientific explaination for this? Just read about this subject. The basics are that you have many "bodies", and you mainly do astral travel /obe with your etheric and/or astral body, they are energy.
For the most part OBE is safe. It may be frightening or you may see and feel creepy presences like in sleep paralysis. Most likely not dangerous at all. Just inform yourself.
Yes, you may be able to see and travel through dimensions. It is all about training. Like seeing aura.
Good luck! it is fun.
