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frank2008- 07-29-2008
IS IT WEIGHT LOSS OR BONES CHANGED?
you can watch this video at 4:00 about where he makes a direct comparison of his older pic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qC7Llwj9L0 tell me how is possible that.

frank2008- 07-30-2008

bones changed is winning PLEASE ALL VOTE

frank2008- 07-30-2008

only 4 voted PLEASE ALL MUST VOTE

Knightwriter- 07-30-2008

Claiming weight loss is the last clutch for a straw by close minded knobheads who can't get out of their own heads for a moment to consider what might actually be happening. It's so sad that most 'scientists' are like religious dogmatists, except their religion is orthodox conventional science despite all it's corruption and all.

frank2008- 07-30-2008

yes it's so absurd talking about weight loss when alex was slim as a skeleton also before GP, as everybody can see in pics and youtube videos "bones changed" is now at 83% please vote all

kamebazooka- 07-30-2008

Again you can see knightwriter's anti-science rage here. didn't knightwriter complain to franco that this was a BAD comparison to show, because the 'new improved' alex looks ill in this video? I have to agree with knightwriter. franco, you should find better comparison photos. Also i think it is possible he both lost weight and bones changed, but due purely to aging.

frank2008- 07-30-2008

aging makes bones and nose BIGGER and more protruding (particularly in male), but you can see the opposite happened to alex.

kamebazooka- 07-30-2008

if aging makes bones BIGGER, then old people should be thick-boned giants.

frank2008- 07-30-2008

oh not so much bigger! But a bit bigger ( for example skull and bones go on growing in males till 40 years old ) and more disordered, asymmetric. And nose becomes a lot bigger. Anyway never bones become thinner in a young man in few years, unless he is severely ill and near to die!

SacJB Shady- 07-30-2008
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the difference between franks old pic and new one is like night and day. don't even look the same at all. One is a stud, one is a dud.

frank2008- 07-30-2008

hehe . You are right. You see how my bones look stronger ? My bones are now more dense and stronger in all my body. My rib cage is some cm larger. This is why I have gained 1 kg in weight but I look a bit slimmer. It's because I didn't gain fat, I gained bone tissue and lost some fat.

myfantasia- 07-30-2008

Franko in one of you post you state that you work out with weights, did you do that before rings and Gp and flush. Or did you start after?

Knightwriter- 07-30-2008

Again you can see knightwriter's anti-science rage here. didn't knightwriter complain to franco that this was a BAD comparison to show, because the 'new improved' alex looks ill in this video? I have to agree with knightwriter. franco, you should find better comparison photos. Also i think it is possible he both lost weight and bones changed, but due purely to aging. I'm not anti-science, that couldn't be further from the truth, I am anti-dogma and closemindedness. I am into pure, uncorrupted, objective, open-ended science that also includes the big picture and observation. And the reference is out of context as per usual, I said the PHOTOS Franco used before of Alex looked awful. He took them out of this video but they were distorted by bad re-sizing or some other technical issue. How could it be due to aging, he looks about 26? You're some joker, how about Franco and fieryblueaure? I suppose they are on diet pills as well or aging at the rate of knots or something else. :roll: Has it occured to you that it might just do what Alex says. The people who need to get a more sleek figure do so and the people who need to put on some structure do that, like Immortal23. That is what has happened in the examples we have. At the very least you could claim that it seems to cause people to lose or gain mass as needed, but that would mean you would have to give Alex some credit, wouldn't it? Idiot.

kamebazooka- 07-30-2008

I'm not anti-science, that couldn't be further from the truth, I am anti-dogma and closemindedness. I am into pure, uncorrupted, objective, open-ended science that also includes the big picture and observation. That may be true some of the time, but as soon as you hear of medical or scientific establishment, you lose all reason and become like a mad dog. And the reference is out of context as per usual, I said the PHOTOS Franco used before of Alex looked awful. He took them out of this video but they were distorted by bad re-sizing or some other technical issue. You're leaving something out -- that Alex looks ill throughout the video. In fact, didn't Alex say he was ill when they shot that? If you think you can get a better photo out of that video, do it. How could it be due to aging, he looks about 26? You're some joker, how about Franco and fieryblueaure? I suppose they are on diet pills as well or aging at the rate of knots or something else. :roll: Are you saying it is IMPOSSIBLE that age or other non-GP/CF causes can be responsible? Do you not see how that is CLOSED MINDED? In fact, I say it is quite possible that there may be hormonal effects from GP/CF, plus his change in diet that makes alex look softer, weaker. Be honest, do you really think the before/after pictures for alex, franco, and everyone else are good evidence? You complain about franco's messing up Alex's picture from this video, but if you are honest with yourself, you will admit there are also major problems with these photos as well, such as lighting. But even with these problems, alex himself appears older to me, mid 30s to early 40s. If alex's true age is over 50 then I will be impressed. keep in mind that I compare alex to other chinese, not to white people even though he claims to be turning white. How old do you think this man is? He is over 50 years old. Do not be so closed minded thinking that Alex's appearance could not possibly be natural for his age. Has it occured to you that it might just do what Alex says. The people who need to get a more sleek figure do so and the people who need to put on some structure do that, like Immortal23. That is what has happened in the examples we have. At the very least you could claim that it seems to cause people to lose or gain mass as needed, but that would mean you would have to give Alex some credit, wouldn't it? In fact I give Alex more credit than almost anyone on this board. I say he looks generally healthy, even when this video shows he is ill. I don't guarantee they will help you, but I wagered money that his rings will probably NOT harm you. I once considered him a fool as you do, but he is more cunning than you give him credit for. But with regards to Alex products, I give YOU more credit than alex. You are willing to risk your own money to stick up for them, which alex himself does not do. That says more to me than any of these photos. Idiot. You were obviously hurt badly by some medical professional, and now are unable to behave rationally when anything reminds you of it, and resort to namecalling, picking fights, even when you have no major disagreement. If you are honest with yourself, you can see this is the case. You know you can do better. When you constructed your test for DrS, you put much more thought into it, because you had to reason through the possibilities and consequences. But you know you can do better. You want to be objective, then you have to clearly and unambiguously define failure and success conditions BEFORE you run the test, because you do not want the results to be corrupted by your subjective feelings later. I have faith that you can do it. That's why I want you to take over the PREDICTIONS thread. That's something that depends on being disciplined, open-minded, using judgment, without being judgmental. I left it to the predictors themselves to determine their own confidence and success/failure conditions, but as you can see, most of the time they cannot be bothered. They simply want the glory and attention if they are right, and for the prediction to be swept under the rug if they are wrong. That is why I believe someone like you should act as a judge, if you can control your anger.

frank2008- 07-31-2008

Franko in one of you post you state that you work out with weights, did you do that before rings and Gp and flush. Or did you start after? I do some weight lifting or execise almost every day, since I was 18 years old. I didn't do more work out after rings or gp .