Re: The soul is a spiritual body, the spirit is the spark of self, of light, it is what we are. Check my sig for a link to learn more.
The soul is all that we've acquired through evolution via reincarnations. The soul can be destroyed in hell or replaced by a superior soul through the practice of tantra (born again christian, baptism).
The spirit is the animation of the soul, the life which is our true nature.
The soul is our vehicle, and houses our capacity for intellect and emotion.
(the bible says the mind is the seat of the soul)
The spirit belongs to god. Even if one goes to hell (in the circle of eternity) the soul eventually dies, but we (the spirit) will eventually be free. After which we begin to evolve a new soul through the mineral, plant, animal, and human kingdoms.
Think of an egg, the yoke is the spirit, and the white is the soul.
kamebazooka- 08-18-2007
When we speak of soul dying I think we have to make clear that it is figure of speech, because a soul cannot die or be destroyed in the same way physical objects die. A soul can probably change, and this is what is meant by dying, a change from one form to another form (but this is also an inaccurate statement, because how do we know that a soul has form?). In order for a soul to truly die, it has to be alive in the first place, and in the non-physical dimension, there is no distinction between alive and dead, at least none that will make any sense to us physical beings.
Also, when you say spirit is the spark of light, you must clarify that this is not literally true, otherwise, we can use spirit as free electricity by these statements:
1. spirit cannot be destroyed (used up)
2. spirit can create energy
therefore, spirit can create infinite electricity. Of course, if it is literaly true, then we should build a device that can make this happen, and solve all energy needs.
Vehcklox- 08-18-2007
When we speak of soul dying I think we have to make clear that it is figure of speech, because a soul cannot die or be destroyed in the same way physical objects die.
The soul is indeed destructable, hence why the bible claims you can lose your soul, passing through the second death. The soul's materiale belongs to nature, will disassemble in death after the end of 108 lifetimes, and return to being a force of nature.
The soul is the astral body. If you've ever had a lucid dream, or awakened in the astral plane (without dreaming) then you'd be able to see your astral body, stretch your finger etc. The soul does not die the same way physical things do, the process is managed by an intelligence so that the ego can be dissolved. (it's a process for a particular purpose)
The ATA1 posted a video about a preacher who went to hell and was attacked by demons, his flesh came back on/regrew, etc, it has a property of elasticity and reconstitution which is what you would think of somewhat like the metal in the newer Terminator movies.
The spirit is indestructable, it is who we are, it is our essence itself. The soul evolves and devolves, and can be replaced by a better one.
Also, when you say spirit is the spark of light, you must clarify that this is not literally true
It is literally true, but the light is not a physical light.
kamebazooka- 08-18-2007
You are saying the soul exists here in the physical, natural dimension, but this does not seem to be the case.
The expression "lose the soul" means to lose mental contact with ethics and morality. Before, people thought this resides in the soul in the non-physical world. But nowadays, we know that you can generate ethics and morality in the physical brain as a mechanical process, so when you say "lose the soul" you are not talking about the soul which resides in the non-physical world, but a disconnection to the mechanical process in your brain.
If we can demonstrate that soul exists here in physical world, this is a supernatural thing (by the current definition of nature), and we can win $1million from the Randi challenge.
There are many strange case of seeming past-lives, but they are not very good as proof because you can learn or guess things from the past. There are many strange case of out-of-body experience, but that is no good either, because they cannot be done on command.
One easy method is to communicate with the future soul incarnation, who has knowledge of the future. (If we have past lives, then it is reasonable to say we have future lives too, and that communication can go both ways.)
Then the future soul can tell us, for example, the order of a shuffled deck.
This is a simple testable way to win the Randi challenge.
Vehcklox- 08-18-2007
Re: You are saying the soul exists here in the physical, natural dimensionNo I'm not, it exists in the astral plane, the 4th dimension.
The expression "lose the soul" means to lose mental contact with ethics and morality.Ethics and morality are conceptual and belong to the intellectual and emotional planes, the 5th dimension.Before, people thought this resides in the soul in the non-physical world.
This is where it is.
But nowadays, we know that you can generate ethics and morality in the physical brain as a mechanical process, so when you say "lose the soul" you are not talking about the soul which resides in the non-physical world, but a disconnection to the mechanical process in your brain.
When you sleep at night, the soul leaves the body and yet mind exists to the point where you are dreaming. You cannot generate ethics or morality in the brain because neither are mechanical, neither belong to the brain. The brain is an instrument like an adaptor which allows for the expression of the mind in the physical world, and more coroporeal memory. The physical body is an instrument which allows the soul to grow and change but the brain is not the mind, the brain is a vehicle and instrument which works in conjunction with the mind. When you sleep at night and the soul leaves the body, it is still connected to the mind via a silver cord. This is why the brain can still affect the mind though the mind has left the brain behind.
Part of this is what I've read, the doctrine of Samael Aun Weor, but I've had a lucid dream once, and I can verify that the body is elastic.
kamebazooka- 08-18-2007
Re: When I say ethics and morality, I don't mean the concepts or spirits of ethics and morality, I mean the actual mechanical process, which can be reproduced in even other animals such as lower primates. It may even be that this can be mechanized in a non-thinking system, the same way you can build a machine to draw water from the ground, you can perhaps make a machine to generate ethical and moral actions, but this is an exercise for morality experts.
Before, we did not understand that ethical and moral actions are decided by a physical process, and also we did not understand that other animals can do it as well. So in the past, sometimes we make the following mistakes:
1. soul = source of moral and ethics
2. only humans can have souls
But now we know that soul is not responsible for this, and that everything has a possible soul, even inanimate matter.
If you can access the soul-dimension through lucid dreaming, then you can potentially access the future, or do remote viewing. These are supernatural abilities, which can be tested by simple card deck test.
I have not heard of anyone being able to do this reliably, so it must be quite rare to be able to access the non-physical dimension at will.
Vehcklox- 08-19-2007
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If you can access the soul-dimension through lucid dreaming, then you can potentially access the future, or do remote viewing. These are supernatural abilities, which can be tested by simple card deck test.
I have not heard of anyone being able to do this reliably, so it must be quite rare to be able to access the non-physical dimension at will.
As I understand it the souls of men are the evolved souls of animals. The souls of animals are the evolved souls of plants. The souls of plants are the evolved souls of rocks and elements. Thus why all of this co-habitates. To evolve, and to transform and transmit energy from the cosmos into the earth, for it's sake.
The future does not exist, everything is a single instant, stretched upon a canvas of this vicarious physical dimension, for the purpose of those sparks to grow and gain knowledge of themselves. The impression of future events is in the Causal plane, but these are still forming, and aren't 100% accurate for prediction, they just foretell the likelihood.