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TheATA1- 10-16-2007

Confuscianism is all about money, what the beautiful woman in the book means is if you study hard and become rich, you will find a beautiful woman. I saw a documenty in china, they were interviewing some old people who were sitting on a park bench, it was a very big city but the park was deserted, the old chinese man said, look you won't find any young people here, they are all working, they never come here. Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Jc, what that mean is here on earth, when we die our carcass gets eaten by worms, after the carcass is gone, the worms dies. In hell, your worms do not die, they constantly feed on you, you are in constant state of decay. That is what is ment your worm will not die, it means Vehcklox if he does not change his belief system will be headed for hell. The only way to salvation is trusting in Jesus Christ + nothing else. Vehcklox has no faith in God for if he did, he would not consider "good works" as part of his salvation. Salvation is a gift, you do not earn it, you only have to trust in Jesus Christ, that the shedding of his blood has forgiven your sins. The song of solomon does not talk about a woman, but referring to the church. ok the love of money is the root of all evil, most people love money the chinese certainly do. Before you defend confuscius can you please explain what he says the path to salvation is? Fact is he offers no path for salvation to his follows. Jesus was a scripture pirate, aye, he sailed the waters of baptism, and stole the buried treasure from the Fundamentalists, so that his mateys would have treasure in heaven. How dare you say lies like that! and about god too. In order to sell all that you own, you have to have owned something first. Correct he said that to a rich man, poor person need not do this. 'The Search for Bridey Murphy.' The book told of the story of a women who, when under hypnosis, could give details of Ireland and even speak Gaelic, a language apparently unfamiliar to her. Her ability was attributed to her living a previous life in Ireland. However, research turned up the fact that she once had been cared for by a Gaelic-speaking grandmother who used to tell her tales of old Ireland. The "past-life memories" turned out to be forgotten childhood experiences brought out by hypnosis. Reincarnation is a lie of the devil, it is not true, all of them are frauds, they use hypnosis (which is occultisim by my definition) to make people think they have had past lives. It is absurd, all these people say they say in their past life they were a King or Queen, it is stupid. The only reincarnation people who believe this will have is reincarnation in hell.

Vehcklox- 10-16-2007
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Confuscianism is all about money, what the beautiful woman in the book means is if you study hard and become rich, you will find a beautiful woman. Confuscianism is about morality and posterity. An educated, genuinely moral and wealthy people are better than a tribe of heathen. Confucius was a great boon to the conscience of his country. Without a beautiful woman, and the work with her in the great arcanum, where is salvation? Without the water of baptism, who is born again? Without love for God in union with their beloved, how will they cross to form the cross and raise up the serpent on the pole of their spinal columns? The nehusthan of Moses. Vehcklox has no faith in God for if he did, he would not consider "good works" as part of his salvation. Salvation is a gift, you do not earn it, you only have to trust in Jesus Christ, that the shedding of his blood has forgiven your sins. I have quoted from the bible exhaustively to demonstrate what you have said is simply not true. I have faith in God and trust in Christ, but those are spokes on a wheel. Works, belief, faith, love, trust, experience, all of these are spokes of the same wheel, without one or another the wheel will not turn. The fact that you could have any of the spokes, or the wheel itself is a gift, a grace of God. The fact that someone could earn the right to the tree of life, as it is written, is a grace in itself handed to us by God. As proof of this, Jesus said: 'woe to you lawyers, for you have taken away the key of knowledge'. How would anyone earn that right, unless Jesus by grace, handed to us the key which was taken away by the fundamentalists? Before you defend confuscius can you please explain what he says the path to salvation is? Fact is he offers no path for salvation to his follows. Does he need to teach salvation to be a great teacher? Was Socrates a vain philosopher, or did the people who rejected him also cause the fall of Rome? Jesus was a scripture pirate, aye, he sailed the waters of baptism, and stole the buried treasure from the Fundamentalists, so that his mateys would have treasure in heaven. How dare you say lies like that! and about god too. From piratejesus.com: "Christianity is no stranger to revisionist myth making. Angels and the modern concept of the Devil as God's adversary were added to Judaism under the influence of Zoroastrianism. The communion and the idea of Transubstantiation comes from rituals of other religions performed in ancient Rome. The Christian versions of Christmas, Easter, and Halloween are all the result of Christianity's syncretisation with European folk religions. The virgin birth is a result of mistranslations and the absorption of stories from other religions such as the cult of Mithras. Even the name Jesus is a result of translating a Hebrew name to Greek, then Latin, then English." Reincarnation is a lie of the devil, it is not true, all of them are frauds, they use hypnosis (which is occultisim by my definition) to make people think they have had past lives. It is absurd, all these people say they say in their past life they were a King or Queen, it is stupid. The only reincarnation people who believe this will have is reincarnation in hell. Ok so, when I gave the story of a boy whose parents were terrified of it, who only had himself to blame for what he believed, how are you sitting here claiming it's all a bunch of hypnosis? Now you're grabbing for straws. He was put to the test and found to have his claims verified.

RandomAccessMemory- 10-16-2007

Well, this was unexpected. For pretty much everyone on this forum who actually believes Dr. Chiuenstein here, that was sarcasm. Since you're all such brilliant people, I'm sure sarcasm is too low of a concept for you.

kamebazooka- 10-16-2007
Re: I kind of changed my mind. I should be messiah
I bought my brother a beautiful car, costed me $20,000 for his car while I still drive a piece of shit car which costs $1500. I let him manage a building I bought. He ended up stealing nearly $50,000 from the company. He spent $50000 within a year. The credit card list shows expensive items bought at department stores and fancy restaurants. He bought his girlfriend $8000 worth of jewelry with company money. When I finally found out, I was pissed. I think our relationship ended right here. For nearly 7 years I have paid off his debt, gave him allowances from time to time. This is the way how he repiad me at the end. This is my own brother. Alex, this is truly bad what your brother did to you, but if your products do not work as advertised, think of what you do to your customers who gave you this money in the first place. Many are in worse conditions than you, and they do not live so frugally by choice. It is because they cannot afford it. Trust me, if you stand by your products and have them tested, and they confirm your claims, you will have more money than you know what to do with, and $50,000 will seem like nothing to you. If your products work as advertised, then no one should begrudge you buying even a $100,000 car and buying million dollar jewels. When your brother steals from you, you know for sure that he has taken it and spent it for his happiness. However, for us customers, we do not know for sure that Alex has stolen from us or not, and even worse, that money does not buy Alex happiness either, so no one benefits. Until you can stand behind your products, I don't believe you should be a messiah.

eldard- 10-16-2007

I'm sure sarcasm is too low of a concept for you. Californians. :(

eldard- 10-17-2007

I'm sure sarcasm is too low of a concept for you. Californians. :( My mistake. Only New Yorker, Canadians and Brits are capable of such pathetic sarcasm. :lol: