I am getting closer to getting my refund for scientology!!!
well folks, great strides today! I just wanted to start things off with you on good roads, good weather, so just to update the latest and greatest on my refund quest for dianetics/scientology, I talked with Ryan Ellesburg, the ethics officer. Karl actually wrote a note because i was late and sent me to see ryan. I spoke with ryan about getting a refund. He says i will not be allowed back because when you donate money to a church and ask for it back, you are screwing the org. But like I said, they did not give my service and have my money, instead say i have to do my basics and volunteer minister work, and then i might be able to do it. So Ryan said, he will talk with me later and show me the reference. I spoke with karl and said karl, you told me that you guys are not in the business of making and keeping money and that you are giving me my money back. He said, right in scientology, you don't literally get your money back. You get re credited to do other courses with your money. I said, well Karl, why did you say give my money back then? why did you say that to me if it's not true?!! and i caught him, and he hesitated and said OH, I don't know. Who cares? I guess i should have worded it differently. And I said so you are not in the business of making money?! And he said yes that's correct, infact there is this LRH policy that says in your case ## you actually can get your money returned and you can still take courses. And I said, what do you mean when you say get your money returned? What does that literally mean? He said nothing, it means nothing, it only means that, that you will get your money returned to you. And we will return you you money. I said when and he said Yah tomorrow and I am going to find the other part of the policy that tells me what to do. But I don't have that right now but we can talk about it tomorrow. So I guess I am making SOME progress in getting my money back. Still got a ways to go. GO WARRIORS!!! Go stephen jackson, monta ellis, al harrington, corey maggete, brandon wright, marco belleneli, anthony randolph!!!!

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yah well 2 night is it! I am going to get my refund!

did you get it? what happened? i told you they were fucking liars

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dr shaden, last night i spoke with karl and he showed me, he found the policy that he told me. And he says, in your case, you will get your money returned. And I said cash? And he said no, not a refund. The dictionary definition of getting your money back is different than the scientology meaning. You can indeed get your money back, however by doing that you are commiting an overt, a harmful act, and you will declared a suppressive person. You will no longer get services from us. I said, Karl, why do you say I am going to get my money back then? are you lying? He said no, you will get your money back, the policy says no questions asked. We can get you your cash right now. I said so who do I speak to? He said we can do it right now. If i were you, i would take that money and buy the lectures and use 700 of your own money to buy the other lectures. We can take of that right now! I said, well i want cash back first and then maybe he will get them. And he said, OK, absolutely! the policy says you should get it back with no questions. So, by thursday, I will let you know what the rest of the procedure is, I need to speak with the financial department, they not here right now, but by thursday i will let you know what we need to do. So, maybe i will get it back!!

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so yah, dr shadenfreude, don't you think i deserve a refund? I mean what your thoughts on this? In december i payed for a course, 800 bucks or so, and then was told by ethics to take some time off. and now that i came back they won't let me back on the course. So don't you think i deserve a refund? How am i commiting a supressive or harmful act if I want cash back? they say i am not qualified but still keep my money.

Why don't you take Alex's advice and cancel charges on your credit card? You paid for service. They didn't provide it. End of story.

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oh, because my friend paul, he said that i probably can't win that dispute. I did start the service back in january for a little but they recommend I take a break and come back when I'm ready. So because they did provide for 2 days, that makes the difference. They said I MIGHT be able to get the service, maybe it's a matter of petition. They said i probably have to finish the 18 basic courses, the volunteer minister course, and then maybe I am eligible. the church policy is that a person has to complete prerequisites.

Does your friend Paul work for a credit card company, or for CoS? If you lose the dispute, the credit card company won't charge you extra. You lose nothing. I once had to dispute credit card charge because a company only sent some of the magnets ordered. They kept promising to send the rest of it later. I GOT THE WHOLE CHARGE CANCELED by the credit card company. It doesn't matter that they gave me part of it already. I got to keep those for free, since they didn't keep their promise in a timely manner. How is your situation different?

I see your money staying in their pockets

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why is that?

I think you've been wronged Sac and that you're right to hope for a refund - they charged you promising to provide a service and then didn't. If they wanted a donation from you they should have asked for one but they didn't - they asked for money in return for a service. You will be automatically declared SP because all the church cares about is your money. Once you're declared SP, no Scientologist will be allowed to talk to you and the way I see it, why would you want them to - they're all taking advantage of you.

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So what should i do to get refund? The lady told me that not a single person gets paid and that noone their cares for money. she seemed like she meant it too. Don't you think that I am not a suppressive person for wanting my money back for the service they never gave? And also, dr shaden, don't you think that getting your money back is the same as a refund? To them, they always say we will give you your money back, but then they say that simply means use that towards other services. Isn't that wrong?

Of course it's wrong. You could sue them quite easily for it. To get a refund, you're likely going to need to threaten to call law enforcement and/or sue them. She's probably correct - people don't work there for money - they work there for courses. That's what I mean about only the higher ups getting large salaries. They're misleading you when they say you can always get a refund - you clearly can't very easily, crediting it to you for other courses doesn't count. They're also misleading you when they say that it's a charitable donation - it wasn't, it was money in exchange for a service they didn't provide. I don't think you're a suppressive person, for that no. But, by Church of Scientology standards you are - you can't be a reasonable minded person and remain in their organisation. You have to surrender your will to them. I wouldn't. I'd complain, kick up a fuss, get used to the idea that you're no longer involved with them and get your money back.

i think sacjb has already surrendered his will to them. he keeps looking to them for validation instead of simply talking to his credit card company like alex suggested. with credit card company, he no longer has to interact with scientology. but he keeps looking for excuses to go back and talk to them. he still cares what they think of him, that they don't think he is a SP or whatever. myfantasia is right. sacjb won't get his money back this way. sacjb if you are serious about getting money back, you will: 1. call credit card company and follow procedure for canceling a charge. 2. don't talk to them again until you get your money back. If you don't try this, then we know you are not ready to get your money back.

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Well, just one more day to go. Tomorrow, Karl said he will hav an answer for me as far as my refund. I really wanted to the the TR's and objetives but by the way it looks, i don't think they will give it to me. So if i don't get it back tomorrow, I am going to demand it back and be declared an SP. If they don't obey my demand, I will take it up with the credit card company or try to sue them. I mean, what kind of bullshit takes 900 bucks from you and says you can't do the service until you do other services and then there is a good chance you will be welcome on board? Ever since, I joined things have been a little suspect. A lot of the people that try to sell me something like an event, will always say if you get it, get it from me. And I said why? And she's like were friends. I said do you get commission? she said no. I said, I heard you get points, someone in church told me. She said, actually I'm not sure if I get points. I mean, sometimes I really catch them and they make something up. Like when I said to Karl, why did you say I get my money back? And he's all OH, I don't know, don't worry about it. You see?? They are hiding something.