ATA wrote: I have been thinking I might change mine to a different image. Your AVATAR is not the only thing you need to change, i hope you know that !

Isnt it spelled avatar?..sorry to sound like an ass =D. But I fully agree... he has alot to learn and change. Hypocracy is bad!

changed to AVATAR. :wink:

You can worship Constantine, Justinian, and Marcion, and the Nicean council, paying homage to old Rome all you want to. I worship Jesus Christ, not these people. It is a small irony to me, why you put so much trust in Rome's old scripture book, but you are a Fundamentalist and not a Roman Catholic. Rome tried to suppress the bible and have Christians killed, they did not support the bible. 1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. You have rejected the word of the rd, you are not christian, you mock the bible. The bible is the word of the lord, not your devilish doctrines. 2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver, and an antichrist. How dare you try to deceive people away from the lord. Those doctrines you believe are wrong, they are not Christian, they are of the devil. 2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. See if you do not abideth in the doctrine of Christ, which is the bible, not your Gnostic helltrap false doctrines, you do not have god, but if you are christian you have both the Father and the Son. As I stated before the "morning star" is commonly associated with the planet venus. But being called a star, we know our own sun is a star. This brings up an interesting point, because when we study the Kabbalah, the 6th sephirot of the tree is named: 'Tiphereth'. Usually planetary or astrological symbols are attributed to most of the sephirot on the tree of life. For Tiphereth we can clearly see it's symbols are venus and the sun. The morning star is referred as luficer, ie the devil/satan, I hope you don't spend too mcuh time worshiping the Morning Star. Tiphereth (6 in the mind, heart, and sex, see Matthew 22:37) is among other things related to the human soul. Here is an example in the tradition of gemmatria where we see the magick square of the sun. This is really interesting because the fact that the sun's magick square adds up to the notorious number: 666 is very insinuative. Also look under the 'rules' one of which it says: "ego". Leo (ruled by the sun) is known to be usually an arrogant and egotistical astrological sign. Any form of divination is a sin. I am shocked you speak about Astrology like you do trying to give it an air of legitimacy. 2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. Astrology opens a person up to the Spirital realm where they neally allways become decieved. This may have happened to you, evil spirits will blind you to the teachings of GOD, instead set you on some flase doctrines. This really saddens me, why do you believe all the this Gnostic stuff???? It is not written by god.

Rome tried to suppress the bible and have Christians killed, they did not support the bible. Maybe you didn't understand me, I meant Christian Rome, the latter-Rome which finally chose to accept Christianity under the condition that they could manipulate it as they saw fit. 1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. You have rejected the word of the rd, you are not christian, you mock the bible. The bible is the word of the lord, not your devilish doctrines. You reject the word of the lord, I have quoted even the bible as ground for the doctrine. 2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver, and an antichrist. Not once did I say so, truly Jesus the Christ came in the flesh. The flesh, however, is not of christ. ie the devil/satan, I hope you don't spend too mcuh time worshiping the Morning Star. Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Jesus is the product of lucifer. Lucifer is: light-bearer, Fundamentalists and Orthodoxy is dilluded and assumes that Lucifer is Satan. Lucifer is an anthropomorphisized characature of a potential in man to become either a God or a Satan. God is an anthropomorphisized characature of the entire tree of life and it's powers, hierarchy and authorities, such as the lord Jehovah, or Yahweh (anyone familiar with the Hebrew manuscripts recognizes the bible has edited the varying names of God to read: 'The LORD'). Satan is an anthropomorphisized characature of whoever the worst demon of hell happens to be, simultaneously he represents the sin in man. Any form of divination is a sin. I am shocked you speak about Astrology like you do trying to give it an air of legitimacy. Divination is a sin, and yet the Magi were astrologers who found baby Jesus, Genesis states clearly that the stars are for signs, and the 12 Jewels on the breastplate of Aaron related to the 12 tribes are indubidubly the 12 fruits on the tree of life which: "give their fruits every month" as I asseverated before. Astrology without Kabbalah, is like a cart without wheels, or a horse, and as such (whether intentionally or not) can only be used for a superficial basis, like vice. The evil of it, is what it lacks, not what it is. If people are ignorant of God, and cannot hear his instruction, or do not know his way, they will be prone to assuming life is about getting what you want, and so we have astrologers who specialize in helping people find favorable matches with others based on "astrological compatability". What they don't realize is that while certain infleunces are needed for love and affinity, THE LORD also wants us to die to our sins, and as such, some unseeming relationships might be a necessity. You confuse the way of the Lord, for the ways of sorcerors who take the things of the lord (astrology, the holy kabbalah, spiritual gifts) and pervert them. Sorcerors are those who have the chakras awakened in the negative direction, astrologers and soothsayers who have not penetrated the higher realms (beyond the astral) or who do not practice chastity are nothing but black magicians. There is a difference between the magick of witches and the high magick of Moses. Even Jesus was accused of being a demon because of his miracles, so without a trained eye and understanding how are you so bold as to stand here and assume you know how to dilineate? 2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. There were also those, who by walking through the fires, found their way to Jesus Christ, the vikings. It is historically noted, the vikings did this as part of their Pagan rituals, and were immune to the fire because deities were protecting them. Then they consecrated a fire to Christ, and saw that they were not immune anymore. Having been amazed, they devoted themselves to Christianity from then on. Those that walk through fires, rely on the deities and the influences of the lower heavens. To ackowledge them, and respect them is good, but only the "most high" is to be worshipped. Only for the sake of pursuing the way of the lord, should someone ever ask the deities for help (which today is known as praying to the saints, to Mary, etc.). Astrology opens a person up to the Spirital realm where they neally allways become decieved. This may have happened to you, evil spirits will blind you to the teachings of GOD, instead set you on some flase doctrines. Astrology opens you up to nothing, I have had no mystical experiences, no sense of coercion or feelings of power or any dillusions whatsoever from studying it. What astrology can do is show you the makeup of your personality and what traits and elements constitut it. Anyone who has comprehended their own chart understands that what you've just said is complete nonsense. This really saddens me, why do you believe all the this Gnostic stuff???? It is not written by god. Again, it seems you believe 'only the bible' was written by God, therefore you worship Constantine and his Nicean council as your God and creator. The bible was created hundreds of years after the death of Christ, this is a historical fact. It was the byproduct of censorship and cannonization (approval and disproval of evaluated texts)

ATA - you could learn a lot from Vehcklox, take the info he just wrote, learn from it as you know nothing.

Try this JC and tell me how you go. http://www.time4god.com/

For your info, i dont click links you post..

Hey Vehcklox, do you have any good site, or video, from which I can learn kundalini yoga? Your recommendations would be appreciated.

ATA, if you want me to stop been nasty to you - You just need kindly to ask.