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kamebazooka- 10-25-2007
Boycott of ata0
People like buffet and gates planning to give away their wealth when they die is stupid, give away your wealth when you are living, poor starving people need this money now. Certainly, so it is your duty to win this $500,000 since you claimed you had simple proof of a supernatural creator. I am assuming you don't have $500,000 to give to the poor already. With this money, you could feed so many people. This is the third time I have asked for such proof here, and you were unable or unwilling to provide it. If you are afraid someone will steal this proof from you, we will vouch for you, so that the money will be yours to give to the poor. In fact, I will make you a bargain -- show this proof here, and I will use the remaining $500,000 that is won from the million dollar challenge and donate that to the poor as well. I am willing to believe you have this proof, but you have to show it. For whatever reason you seem afraid to do so. So I have set up this conditional boycott. If you do not provide this proof, you will be boycotted or banned. But the point of this is not to ban you, it is to encourage you to give the proof. For if you give a good proof, that establishes good credibility, and people will be more willing to follow your advice. This is the same deal for Alex. Show good proof and of course we will pay you money for your products, more than you can dream.

TheATA1- 10-27-2007

2Co 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight The hard proof is not there, it was especially designed that way. God wants "faithful servants". That is where a christian's power comes from, it comes from faith, not by "seeing is believing". How about this, you prove to me that the bible is not true, if not you pay me $500,000. All these people who are skeptics of god and the bible all say they arn't biased, but they all seem to believe in evolution they arn't skeptical of that? strange isn't it. A true skeptic is skeptical of everything, the skeptics of today simply embrace mainstream idea's and run with them, very pathetic. The bible can be proven, but it's like trying to prove something to an animal, they just don't understand, the animals do not have the mental capabilities of understanding, much as the same with unbelievers and the bible, they don't have the faith to believe, lack of faith is as debilitating as having a low IQ, you show them gods love and they still don't understand. Faith is a measurable physical property, Jesus said if your faith was the size of a mustard seed you could tell a mountain to go jump in the sea, faith is built by believing, the more you believe the more faith you have. I suggest to you kamebazooka to begin reading the bible, begin believing it is the word of god, then your faith will grow. I started off listening to the bible as a joke, I thought the bible was stupid, I played some MP3's of the bible and listened to the stories and then I started to believe and my faith grew from there.

jc- 10-27-2007

Hmm, let me see.. DONT BELEIVE IN THE BIBLE ? THEN YOU ARE AN ANIMAL and DONT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO UNDERSTAND DONT WANT TO ACCEPT GODS LOVE ? THEN YOU HAVE A VERY LOW IQ, YOU ARE ANIMAL.. LOL... Please stop.... :roll:

TheATA1- 10-27-2007

I did not say that JC, I used low IQ to represent faith as a reference for people to understand, just as a low IQ will make understanding difficult, too is a low amount of faith, or a low amount of potential faith as a blockade in believing in gods word.

DPRK- 10-27-2007

I'm starting to get used to ATA's bullshit... Not that I enjoy it, but hes a much more stable individual than some people on here (namely, Cristal White who is a transvestite obsessionist with a loony muslim jihad mindset). ATA needs to remove those obnoxious avatars and signatures, and respect a person's individuality without condemning and stepping in to quote a bible verse.

Vehcklox- 10-29-2007
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I see he's using a picture of a crusader now... But did you know, the best fighting units of the crusades were the Knights Templar? Does he realize the templars were the precursors to the masons, in terms of rituals? That those rituals are occult in nature, taught only to the initiated in secrecy and bound by oath? And that they took the esoteric kabbalah from the holy books in Jerusalem? "The hard proof is not there, it was especially designed that way. God wants "faithful servants". That is where a christian's power comes from, it comes from faith, not by "seeing is believing"." "Faith is a measurable physical property, Jesus said if your faith was the size of a mustard seed you could tell a mountain to go jump in the sea, Jesus said in so many words, when confronted by the Samaritan woman who assured him she was raised to believe in the way of the prophets: ye worship what ye know not, but we know salvation because it is of the Jews. Here you are talking about faith being beyond a proof, and then talking about belief being the building block of faith. Not realizing that faith is more than the sum of belief. The Samaritan woman was full of belief, but did not know, even though she stood squarely in front of our lord himself, she also believed in the true way and in his words (she believed in him). Believing in anything, even the true way, or the true lord, does not build faith in and of itself, it never has, and never will. The etimology of the word: 'faith' is the sum of belief (in the right path), and esoteric experience.

kamebazooka- 10-29-2007

The hard proof is not there, it was especially designed that way. God wants "faithful servants". That is where a christian's power comes from, it comes from faith, not by "seeing is believing". Finally you admit that you do not have proof. I don't want to discourage you; actually the opposite. Now that you can honestly admit you are wrong, you can improve. Alex does not yet admit he is wrong or provide solid evidence with his products. How about this, you prove to me that the bible is not true, if not you pay me $500,000. Please do not change the subject. You said you had proof of a supernatural creator, and I asked and gave you incentive for you to provide it. I said nothing there about bibles or evolutions. You failed to provide this proof and now you say that there is no such evidence. The bible can be proven, but it's like trying to prove something to an animal, they just don't understand, the animals do not have the mental capabilities of understanding, much as the same with unbelievers and the bible, they don't have the faith to believe, lack of faith is as debilitating as having a low IQ, you show them gods love and they still don't understand. You said that it cannot be proven, now you say it can be proven, provided you believe in it first. Imagine if this methodology is applied to Alex's products: Alex cannot provide good evidence his products work. Now Alex says, I can't prove it because you don't believe in it. If you believe in it, it is proven.

Makybe_Diva- 10-29-2007

Imagine if this methodology is applied to Alex's products: Alex cannot provide good evidence his products work. Now Alex says, I can't prove it because you don't believe in it. If you believe in it, it is proven. LOL!!!! :lol:

Vehcklox- 10-30-2007
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they don't have the faith to believe, lack of faith is as debilitating as having a low IQ, you show them gods love and they still don't understand. faith is built by believing, the more you believe the more faith you have. So, you need faith to believe, and you need belief to have faith. Which raises the question, which comes first, the chicken or the egg? And what exactly is the difference between belief and faith? Faith is experience, the analogy of the mustard seed is given as a measurement, because one can experience for themselves and know how much faith it is they have, because the very nature of faith is experience, which is direct knowledge; gnosis. Faith is Gnosis. The "faithful" are the Gnostics. The bible can be proven, but it's like trying to prove something to an animal, they just don't understand, the animals do not have the mental capabilities of understanding, much as the same with unbelievers and the bible, they don't have the faith to believe, lack of faith is as debilitating as having a low IQ, you show them gods love and they still don't understand. There is another kind of animal, which in contemporary society is not recognized as an animal: 'the intellectual animal called man, who is falsely called a hu-man being'. He arises from pulpits with such titles as: 'pastor', 'priest', and 'preacher'. And there are emotional animals called man, who also are falsely called hu-man beings. There are also instinctual animals, who are called man, and also falsely called hu-man beings. A real man has no sin, and does not sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9) Only the man who is balanced in the 3 centers, awakened, who has developed intuition, and the siddhis, and devoted himself to understanding, those who come to terms with the fact that all religion is not simply exoteric, but also esoteric in nature, these ones become true humans, true men. True men can understand the word of God because they've lived it. Not the animals who look like men, but in reality are Pinnochio: Nothing against Clinton, I use him as an analogy, he is a very compassionate, intelligent person, but he is not a real man in the total sense of the word, nor are any of us, if we are all Pinnochios who still have sin alive. I'm sure everyone is familiar with his infamous white lie. Excerpt from adherents.com: "Bill Clinton: Although a Southern Baptist, many in the SBC take issue with Pres. Clinton on a variety of matters. At the 1999 Southern Baptist annual convention (Atlanta, GA), formal resolutions were passed condemning recent actions by the president, including his declaration of June as "Gay and Lesbian Pride Month" and the appointment of James Hormel (a homosexual) as the ambassador to Luxembourg. Resolutions calling for his home church in Little Rock to initiate formal church discipline against him were ruled out of order. The SBC also voted (1994) to applaud statements by Mother Theresa (a Catholic) which rebuked Pres. Clinton for his pro-abortion stance."

Jaguar b. p.- 10-30-2007

I started off listening to the bible as a joke, I thought the bible was stupid Apparently you still do, because you post drawings of Allah on a throne in your sig comics, which is a direct violation of that same bible.