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DPRK- 07-24-2008
Barack Obama draws 200,000 people to his speech in GERMANY
BERLIN - Before the largest crowd of his campaign, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama on Thursday summoned Europeans and Americans together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it" as surely as they conquered communism a generation ago. "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand," Obama said, speaking not far from where the Berlin Wall once divided the city. "The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand," he said. Obama said he was speaking as a citizen, not as a president, but the evening was awash in politics. His remarks inevitably invited comparison to historic speeches in the same city by Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, and he borrowed rhetoric from his own appeals to campaign audiences in the likes of Berlin, N.H., when he addressed a crowd in one of the great cities of Europe. 'This is our moment' "People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time," he said. Obama's speech was the centerpiece of a fast-paced tour through Europe designed to reassure skeptical voters back home about his ability to lead the country and take a frayed cross-Atlantic alliance in a new direction after eight years of the Bush administration. Republicans, chafing at the media attention Obama's campaign-season trip has drawn, sought to stoke doubts abut his claims. In Die Welt, the German publication, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said: "No one knows which Obama will show. Will it be the ideological, left-wing Democratic primary candidate who vowed to 'end' the war rather than win it, or the Democratic nominee who dismisses the progressing coalition victory as a 'distraction'? Will it be the American populist who has told supporters in the United States that he will demand more from our allies in Europe and get it, or the liberal internationalist hell-bent on being liked in Europe's salons?" Obama met earlier in the day with German Chancellor Angela Merkel for a discussion that ranged across the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, climate change, energy issues and more. No nukes Knots of bystanders waited along Obama's motorcade route for him to pass. One man yelled out in English, "Yes, we can," the senator's campaign refrain, when he emerged from his car to enter his hotel. Obama drew loud applause as he strode confidently across a large podium erected at the base of the Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in the heart of Berlin. Police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski said the speech drew more than 200,000 people, more than double the estimated 75,000 he drew in Oregon this spring. He drew loud applause when he talked of a world without nuclear weapons and again when he called for steps to counter climate change. Stakeholders in peace Obama mentioned Iraq, a war he has opposed from the start, only in passing. But in discussing Afghanistan, he said, "no one welcomes war. ... But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success." He referred repeatedly to the Berlin airlift, launched by the Allies 60 years ago when the Russians sought to isolate the Western part of the city. If they had succeeded, he said, communism would have marched across Europe. "Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun," the presidential candidate said. Threats of terrorism Now, he said, the enemy is different but the need for an alliance is the same as the world stares down terrorism and the extremism that supports it. "This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it," he said. He said Europeans sometimes view America as "part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right ..." And in America, "there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future." He said both views miss the truth, "that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe." In any event, he said, there will always be differences. "But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more, not less." Excerpts of Barack Obama's speech in Berlin "People of the world - look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one." "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down." "No one welcomes war. I recognize the enormous difficulties in Afghanistan. But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success. For the people of Afghanistan, and for our shared security, the work must be done. America cannot do this alone. The Afghan people need our troops and your troops; our support and your support to defeat the Taliban and al-Qaida, to develop their economy, and to help them rebuild their nation. We have too much at stake to turn back now." "This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth, with meaningful protections for our people and our planet. This is the moment for trade that is free and fair for all." "This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East. My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions. We must support the Lebanese who have marched and bled for democracy, and the Israelis and Palestinians who seek a secure and lasting peace. And despite past differences, this is the moment when the world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close." "Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands. Let us resolve that all nations - including my own - will act with the same seriousness of purpose as has your nation, and reduce the carbon we send into our atmosphere." "I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions." "People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world."

Jaguar b. p.- 07-24-2008

Did you know that Obama is an undercover muslim

frank2008- 07-24-2008

yes he is very ambiguous. I think he is a kind of terrorist.

myfantasia- 07-24-2008

I agree with Jaguar b. p. What better way to attack from within, than be at our political head.

Francois Tremblay- 07-24-2008

Once again, politicians are like strippers: they tell you what you want to hear, so as to better take money from you. But at least strippers don't try to extort you.

DPRK- 07-25-2008

But at least strippers don't try to extort you. Are you fucking kidding me? Did you know that Obama is an undercover muslim yes he is very ambiguous. I think he is a kind of terrorist. You mean... Something like this? :lol:

frank2008- 07-25-2008

yes like that

Jaguar b. p.- 07-25-2008

The fact that the Americans and Australians who call Obama a muslim are retards and don't know anything, is not enough to disprove the actual claim. He could still be a muslim, while at the same time those dumbasses think he's a muslim simply because he has an Arab middle name and they can't tell apart race from religion. How do you know he is not a muslim? He has said that he is a cross worshipper, but that means nothing, it could be a takfiri tactic. Muhammad عAtta (may Allah have mercy on him) was shaved clean on 9/11. There is a hadith that discourages shaving, saying basically "The ones who shave their face have no connection with me (i.e. Muhammad s.a.a.s.)" and: "Act contrary to the polytheists: trim the moustache and let the beard flow." However the takfiris will disregard everything because they focus on the end goal. You remember reports that the September 11 hijackers went to a strip bar. (zOMG, I brought it around to strip clubs again ) That's because if he had gone to the airport in full Salafist mode with another 4 dudes, it would have raised more suspicion Same way with Barack, he could be saying stuff just to get in office. Anyway we'll be able to tell from his actions if he's elected. He's pledged to withdraw from Iraq I believe, and people like you support him without understanding the consequences.

DPRK- 07-25-2008

He's pledged to withdraw from Iraq I believe, and people like you support him without understanding the consequences. The Iraqi government wants us out as well. In fact, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki fully endorses Barack Hussein and his plan for withdrawal and expects us to be completely out of Iraq by 2010. "WASHINGTON — In throwing his support behind Senator Obama's plan for a 16-month timetable for an American withdrawal from Iraq, Prime Minister al-Maliki is calculating that Mr. Obama may well be the next president of America, and betting that a successful visit by Mr. Obama to Baghdad will advance Iraqi interests in a new administration."

Jaguar b. p.- 07-25-2008

You do know that he's also friends with Ahmadinejad? The puppet prime minister Maliki wants you out because he thinks he's strong enough to kill off the Sunnis by himself; however he may find out that he is wrong.

Francois Tremblay- 07-26-2008

"He's pledged to withdraw from Iraq I believe" What are you talking about? Obama said he wanted to add more troops to Iraq.

Jaguar b. p.- 07-26-2008

No, he said he would withdraw combat forces within 16 months. John "Insane" McCain wants a 100 year occupation, after which he would again ask for more time.

Francois Tremblay- 07-27-2008

Sorry, I was thinking of Afghanistan, where Osama wants to send 10,000 more troops. Not Iraq. Either way, he's a warmonger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/obama-troops-in-afghanist_n_112453.html

CerealRapist- 07-27-2008

yes he is very ambiguous. I think he is a kind of terrorist. you also think that reptilians have invaded the White House, that benzene causes AIDS, that Plejarans rule the earth, and that GorgeousPil actually does something besides contaminate your body and drain your bank account.

frank2008- 07-27-2008

yoiu don't think gorgeosupil works? So how do yoiu explain that in my after pic skull and eyes are bigger while all the area under the nose is smaller than in before pic? This can be explained only by changes in bones' structure.