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frank2008- 07-04-2008

The universe is contantly expanding. What is it expanding into? Exactly. It cannot expand in the nothing! It cannot even be in contact with the nothing. It's expanding into a field of energy, and there are countless other universes in this field of energy. And there are an infinte number of other dimensions, each full of universes.

DrSchadenfreude- 07-04-2008

See, now you're acknowledging all I was trying to say all along - that the universe has outer limits. It is expanding, and it is expanding into something and that thing, by your definition, is energy. Scientists have no bloody clue what it's expanding into, but have posited some sort of super-universe....Either way this universe as defied by the term clearly does have limits. So is there a point where the something contacts a nothingness? Or is all that is all that is and ultimately limitless (beyond the scope of our universe)? Thinking about that just changed my perspective I think - I always thought of it as our universe, then another outside it, then nothing....But Franco makes a good point...that really cannot happen because in order for the nothing to exist it would have to be defined. I'm still not sure I agree that there can be an infinite amount of other universes though...

Jaguar b. p.- 07-04-2008

This is a size comparison of some objects from our galaxy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDNEV9EW06g Death to the cross worshippers, particularly those of the worst anglo-american variety

frank2008- 07-04-2008

..But Franco makes a good point...that really cannot happen because in order for the nothing to exist it would have to be defined. See how deep can a second type human think?

DrSchadenfreude- 07-04-2008

I would never say that you're not a deep thinker Franco, it's just that sometimes your rationale is very flawed and cyclical as we've seen in other threads...This time, however, I am indebted to your insight :-P Yet, a rational flaw surfaces again: If we were to call you a deep-thinker, this would not mean that this would necessarily be as a result of you being what you call a "type 2 human".

frank2008- 07-04-2008

Yet, a rational flaw surfaces again: If we were to call you a deep-thinker, this would not mean that this would necessarily be as a result of you being what you call a "type 2 human". See? This is typical human first type bitterness.

DrSchadenfreude- 07-04-2008

How is that bitter?! It was a simple observation - you've had an education! I'm sure you thought deeply about things before you started wearing the rings, so it's not directly a result of them!

frank2008- 07-04-2008

How do you know? Maybe now I think deeper. You had an education, too, but you don't think same as I do about limits of the universe

DrSchadenfreude- 07-04-2008

I would like to think deeper...I am going to try these rings as soon as I can. Whether to prove you right or wrong...

frank2008- 07-05-2008

Good idea.