A Buinsess is to make Money, nothing wrong with that.. The claims i myself make about the rings are not outrageous, they are REAL..

jc, as I've said before I believe that you and some others who experience results with the products are telling the truth. And I think it's a placebo in the sense that his products do nothing biologically or chemically to change the body, but the belief in the person that uses the product allows their own mind to make changes to your body/wellbeing/whatever. However your claims and Alex's are different to me. I believe that you've had results and just want to let other people know because you want them to have positive experiences like you've had. I think Alex wants people to try his products because he wants money. You say a business is to make money, there's nothing wrong with that. I think that's true when people don't get screwed over. Now to my knowledge you don't have anything majorly wrong with you like a terminal illness. You were just curious, could do with feeling a little better, and tried the products. Now that's fine. But what about people who are in desperate situations? There is no proof that these products do anything aside from what people say over the internet. What about a child that is desperate for their father to feel better or a husband that is desperate for his wife to feel better. If they see something that could help them, even without proof, they'll want to try it out. It could be said it's their fault for not being logical. But it could also be said it's Alex's fault for giving false hope. All I'm getting at is don't you feel that it's wrong Alex is taking advantage of people's feelings and desperaton in the name of business and money?

All over the world many products are sold that give FALSE hope to desperate customers, im trying to get people to know that the rings work and to give them a try first before purchasing other products from ALEX. It is not PLACEBO effects, i stated many time what the effects are and no other product in the market can do what the rings are doing... Everyone has a choice, we know your choice and others on this forum but the rest that want to give ALEX CHIUS products a try, i wouldn`t say Please dont Buy from ALEX because he is a FRAUD and so on.. What proof do you have that he is a FRAUD ? That his products dont work and that the effects are our IMAGINATION ? But again i respect everyones opinion :wink: I know there is no proof given by ALEX himself as yet for GP+SCF but also i just dont see why ALEX should be called a FAKE when there is no proof of that either.. He might ''JOKE'' around about what he says sometimes and people just take it toooo seriously but i could care less as long as his products are better worth trying than some other BIG BS products out there which cost big $ I am here to spread what the rings do and want NEW skeptics to just give them a go before spending BIG dollars on some other CRAP when the rings could do the job. When i will try GP+SCF and get good results i will do the same.. Im off now, going to sleep.. Back tomorrow :wink:

Here's my deal, JC. The scientific process demands that when someone makes an extraordinary claim, that he provide clear, repeatable, and unambiguous evidence. Alex has done none of this, and is hostile and/or dismissive to those who ask for it. Let me ask you this. There are a number of people/companies on this planet who claim to have developed free energy devices (that is, a device that MAKES its own energy). Such a device is unprecedented, not only because people have been trying to make such a machine for centuries, but also because it violates the Laws of Thermodynamics, a set of principles so fundamental to our knowledge of the universe that its eradication would cause basically cause the entire foundation of modern physics to crumble. Now, these people who have invented these devices, for whatever reason, ALMOST ALWAYS refuse to offer proof that their inventions work (those who do are immediately discovered to be frauds, hoaxes, or money-making schemes). Why is it that these people, who almost unarguably have discovered the greatest invention in the history of mankind, are so fearful of subjecting their inventions to serious scientific inquiry? And should we, as consumers and independent bystanders, be willing to believe their claims without proof? What if 10 people on the internet say they saw the machine and they swear it worked? Should we believe it then? My answer is: HELL NO. Only a fool would believe it without proof. And those witnesses don't mean a damn thing until we know who they are. Are they scientists? Do they understand how the machines work? Did they poke around to see if everything was it was supposed to be? Did they take statistics on the operation of the machine? How long did they watch the machine? Were they paid? Are they shills for the company making the claims? What organizations were they representing? Are they going in with a healthy amount of skepticism given the laws of thermodynamics? THE ANSWER IS, WE DON'T KNOW. And anyone who believes the company simply because "some witnesses have seen it" is probably foolish enough to give them money as well. And that's just sad.

That his products dont work and that the effects are our IMAGINATION ? First let me make it clearer. I'm NOT saying results you get are imaginary and don't exist. I'm saying that results you get are made purely by your mind and not by anything chemical or biological the pills/rings do. I think you DO get results, but because you want results. What proof do you have that he is a FRAUD ? This is where we can't agree. For me what cries out that the rings and pills are a fraud is that the rings are claimed to make you IMMORTAL and the pills are claimed to make you as GORGEOUS AS A SUPERMODEL within weeks! If you can't understand how ridiculuous that is then I'll never be able to show you how I feel.. Also, you said you respect people's opinions, even mine, even if it goes against what you believe. I find that respectable, and you know I respect your opinions too even if they're against mine. I'm not having a go at you jc, I'm just saying what I thnk.

Cereal said stuff. I agree if you're implying that equally silly stuff like claiming to have the secret of free energy without any reproducible proof is like claiming becoming gorgeous to some fascist ideal of beauty by taking a pill of common herbs or claiming to become immortal by placing magnets on your little fingers. All of this without proof. The sad thing is that people still get results without any products doing anything just because they want results. And meanwhile a pedophile propsers, spending nice people's cash at a strip club. :cry:

Well it's not entirely sad because people feel better. The sad thing is that this capitalistic society people need to spend money on things to feel better about themself instead of harnessing their own potential happiness.

Dont think for one second im upset or angry by the things you say, i and others are very interested to know whats in skeptics minds about ALEX and his products.. - its all good. :wink: You state that we only buy products to make us FEEL better that we dont really need these products at all and that we can only FEEL and or ''HEAL'' ourselves only by ''WANTING RESULTS'' i disagree, by just WANTING RESULTS and by thinking about it on how much one wants results it just does not happen and does not help people with ACNE or make your skin smoother or regrow your hair etc.. I did not expect the rings to do what they did, i never expected the rings to start regrowing hair and you certainly cannot regrow hair just by ''WANTING IT TO GROW..'' Do i want proof that ALEX CHIUS products work ? Of course, it would make ALL skeptics much happier. Everyone has a PRIVATE life and ALEX just ADDS parts of his life on here on the forum and thats how he gets attacked all the time - either by saying he EARNS MONEY to go to strip clubs etc.. Thats his PRIVATE LIFE.. Sure ALEX stated the rings give you IMMORTALITY in the sense that your life will be much longer than normal, yes i know what IMMORTALITY means but we really dont know as yet if the rings DO give IMMORTALITY do we ? if we can live forever ? :roll: We all want to see ALEX in his new look, would that give you PROOF that GP+SCF works ? is that enough ? He could have had PLASTIC SURGERY just to look EXTRA young but i doubt he would spend any money on that sort of thing as he needs money to BUILD his next product he mentioned. I think ALEX does not care what the skeptics think, he just wants people to BELEIVE in him and have others state their experience as proof like we have seen on this forum.. Sure you can ask and ask and ask for all kinds of proof from him but as we all have seen - He does not respond to this but still - does not mean he is a fake.

Er, that would be different because a free-energy machine is physically impossible while aging reversal is physically possible.

both are impossible according to known science. I'm not saying that neither is possible. I'm saying that no science has been shown to back up either free energy nor age reversal. NONE!

I know immortality would be considered impossible, but haven't they done aging reversal? I know they say you can slow down aging with antioxidants,healthy food,health habits(no smoking,drinking, plenty sleep etc.)even though based on the habits of some of the oldest people such as fulla and calmet(below)that didn't seem to matter to them http://www.ibnlive.com/news/orissas-oldest-woman-fulla-dead/26530-3.html http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/080597/frances.htm

slowing down is not the same thing as reversing. Show me one study that suggests anything close to, say, a 70 year old regressing to a 30 year old's body. MAYBE there are 70 year old peopel who have a 30 year old's body, but that's not the same thing as saying that they had a 70 year old's body at one point, and then later in time they had a 30 year old's body.

I know slowing down isn't the same as reversal I was just asking and stating facts.I know they probably haven't done a 70 year old to a 30 year old, but maybe they have done like a 5, or 10 year reversal I'm not sure that's why I'm asking?I know they have done stuff like reverse brain aging in rats,extended lifespans in mice etc.

I can see CR`s point , but say i do not change one bit from how i look like right now till i am 70 years old then it is proof the rings work.. Thats the only way a person can proove the rings bring Immmortality..