17 Concepts that Everyone on This Board Should Understand
I have outlined 17 concepts that everyone on this board needs to read and take to heart before going on with their lives. This is very important, and not just related to the stuff going on here on this board. This is stuff that is applicable in every sphere of your life. Please read. 1. Theory influences observations -- believe something is true and your observations will adjust to fit your theory. 2. The observer changes the observed -- the mere fact that there are skeptics out there watching makes those in the experiement (i.e. ring users and GP pill-poppers) alter their behavior and claims. 3. Anecdotes do not make science -- we need controlled experiments with reproducible results, not unverified stories 4. Scientific language does not make a science -- dressing up a belief system by using scientific language means nothing without evidence and experimental testing. 5. Bold statements do not make claims true -- just because enormous claims are made for something's power and veracity we need supportive evidence . The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary well-tested the evidence should be. 6. "Heresy" does not equal correctness -- This one is for Jaguar. History is replete with tales of the lone scientist woring in spite of his peers and flying in the face of the doctrines of his or her own field of study. Most of them turned out to be wrong and we do not remember their names. Just because someone is going against the mainstream theory does not make them correct-- in fact, they usually aren't. 7. Rumors do not equal reality -- just because you heard that Alex Chiu's magical rings gives you eternal life doesn't make it true. 8. The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim -- I shouldn't have to disprove Alex Chiu. He, as the personal claiming that his products give you eternal life(!), should be proving it to me! Why should I be having to fight so hard to get a single shred of evidence given the amazingness of his claims? 9. Failures cannot be rationalized -- this is a big problem on this board. If something doesn't work, someone will come here explaining that it's because the rings were on backwards, or that you need to 'cycle the polarity' or explain that it requires more time, or some other bogus excuse that somehow justifies the failure of the product. Without fail, this is how people cover up the fact that the stuff doesn't work. 10. After-the-fact reasoning -- just because two events follow each other in sequence does not mean they are causally connected. 11. Coincidence -- in the paranormal world, coincidences are seen as highly significant. 12. Representativeness -- Our tendency is to remember hits and forget misses. We must always remember the larger context in which a seemingly unusual event occurs. 13. Ad ignorantiam -- an appeal to ignorance where someone fallaciously argues that if you cannot disprove a claim it must be true; i.e. someone claims that if you cannot disprove Santa Claus, then he must exist. If you can't disprove GorgeousPil, then it must work. (Actually, in this case, there is a massive amount of evidence showing that GP doesn't work!) 14. Hasty generalization -- conclusions are drawn before facts warrant it. Isn't it odd that everyone is saying the immortality rings work, yet no one has lived to an unusally old age yet?? 15. Overreliance on "authorities" -- Because Kevin Trudeau says it works, it must! (Kevin Trudeau, incidentally, has absolutely no credentials, and has been convicted of fraud in the past) 16. Circular reasoning -- "This must work because Alex Chiu made it! And if you can't trust Alex Chiu's technology, you can't trust nobody's technology!" Well, what if Alex Chiu isn't such a genius after all? Should we then believe everything he says? Belief in a product should not be contingent on a presupposition that eliminates the possibility of reality falling outside of the presupposition. 17. Problem-solving inadequacies -- Psychologist Barry Singer has demonstrated that when given the task of selecting the right answer to a problem after being told whether particular guesses are right or wrong, people: A) immediately form a hypothesis and look only for examples to confirm it B) Do not seek evidence to disprove the hypothesis C) Are very slow to change the hypothesis even when it is obviously wrong D) If the information is too complex, adopt overly-simple hypotheses or strategies for solutions E) If there is no solution, if the problem is a trick and "right" and "wrong" is given at random, form hypotheses about coincidental relationships they observed. Causality is always found. from Why People Believe in Weird Things, by Michael Shermer, 1997.

After taking these concepts into consideration, what is your personal conculsion on the effectiveness of the rings?

I tried the rings for a while, and found they had absolutely no effect. I started researching into it more, and after analyzing Alex's shifty salesmanship, lack of willingness to provide evidence for his extraordinary claim, and insistence on shifting the burden of proof on the mainstream scientific community and consumer-base, I can't say that I have much faith in the products. I am fairly certain that his products are bogus. My lack of faith has to do with the convergence of large amounts information I've culled from the watching Alex and his userbase. The anecdotal claims of the people on this board have not persuaded me. The repeated attempts by people here to bully me into accepting Alex's claims based on the suggestion that Alex's denial of mainstream science, 'the government', and 'big pharmo' somehow makes his outrageous theories legitimate is frankly ridiculous. I can't take seriously testimonials of people who clearly lack any critical thinking abilities, and are unable to apply any of the concepts outlined above. Other bizarre side elements of this board also suggest bogus pseudoscience: constant justification for the product failures, reliance on shady figures like Kevin Trudeau and Alex Chiu himself, insistence on using scientific jargon no matter how utterly meaningless, and the complete, absolute lack of any scientific evidence OR any interest on anyone's part to find REAL EVIDENCE of something that can be called the GREATEST DISCOVERY IN HUMAN HISTORY. Shouldn't all this shit make anyone question the reality of Alex's claims? If not, I fear for the future of this planet.

Lately I have been questioning them. I believe that if they do work, their affects can be one day acquired by using only your mind. But I haven't worn them in a month. I need to start wearing them again. 2 months ago I started having chronic headaches. Life hasn't been the same. I have been in a lot of pain lately. That is why I haven't been on the board much.

CR, its just pointless talking to you about the rings and what i or others have experienced and the results we have had, you ask me what did the rings bring me and i told you because you wanted to know, it is clear you really dont want to know and dont care so all your questions to people on this forums are just to waste peoples time. Im just stating what i see....

As i said, it is pointless talking to you DR PHELPS or CR about peoples experience with the rings, i have stated what results i got and still getting with the rings and i cannot be bothered repeating them.. Thanks..

Re: 17 Concepts that Everyone on This Board Should Understan
Bismillah. Alhamdulillah. Wassalatu wassalamu 'ala Rasulillah, wa alihi wa sahbihi, wa min wala. Ayuha al-akhutu muslimun fi kulli makan: Assalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Amma ba'ad Just because someone is going against the mainstream theory does not make them correct O son of Adam. The point is that the human race has a recorded history of following falsehood in herds. Yes, this does not mean that everything you identify as a lie is actually true. But it does mean that I can very easily be correct despite your opposition, and this would be consistent with your history. Therefore your counterclaims mean absolutely nothing The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim -- I shouldn't have to disprove Alex Chiu. He, as the personal claiming that his products give you eternal life(!), should be proving it to me! Why should I be having to fight so hard to get a single shred of evidence given the amazingness of his claims? No one is asking you to disprove it, we are requesting that you STFU. Alex has clearly stated that he doesn't care if his doubters die. Unfortunately I have to report that you have in fact extended your life because you have worn the rings in the past. Still, it will be good riddance when you do die. Maybe you can explain: why engage in any of this arguing if you believe everyone is going to be dead forever anyway? If you were right about that, then it wouldn't matter what anyone said or did. Wouldn't matter who lived, who died, who was right, what the rings do, or who got scammed -- it would all end in eternal death for all. Dr. Phelps believes in an imaginary supernatural Santa Claus afterlife, so he thinks his efforts may not be wasted; but I have not seen you say such a thing. So your argument would end with "You see? I was right. Now let's all kill ourselves." That's fucking insane in itself, irrespective of the rings issue

What I'm wondering is how long do you skeptics wear the rings before saying they absolutley do nothing. I've seen some say they wear them for a couple days and stop wearing them.

I have outlined 2 concepts: 1) Alex Chiu's Rings do work, as hundreds of testimonials proof (no alternative medical device have even near so true and many and amazing testimonials ) 2) cerealrapist is a moron.

Franco, clearly you are one of the greatest minds of our time. Why are you here on this message board? You should be out solving all of humanity's problems with your amazing intellect.